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Old Dec 19, 2006, 6:26 AM   #1
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Ive been looking for a new camera for a few months, but cannot seem to find anything that does a good job for less than 350

Ive been looking at Kodak P712, Sony H5, Panasonic FZ7, then looked at Fuji 9500, 9600 and panasonic FZ30/FZ50

The Fuji and panasonic have the features i require, large zoom, manual focus and zoom rings, ability to add flash gun, raw capability etc, but they all seem to have one very big problem- NOISE!

Is it so unreasonable to want a camera that takes good pictures? its not exactly cheapp cameras im looking at, but it seems like if i want quality, i have to spend allot more on an slr, and even then, im never gona get a large zoom
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Old Dec 19, 2006, 8:37 AM   #2
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All cameras can take good pictures as it depends on the photographer. However, a camera needs to suit the situation.

What are your photo situations? Is it sports, indoor, landscape, vacation, etc?

Maybe answering that will make it easier for us to advise.
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Old Dec 19, 2006, 10:02 AM   #3
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i need a good all round camera, i dont have a specialist subject, i take pictures of landscapes, portraits, architecture, and on occasion moving objects such as transport/racing etc

I do sometimes take pictures of interiors or in the dark, which may mean higher isos or slow shutter speeds etc
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Old Dec 19, 2006, 10:18 AM   #4
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If you've checked out any digital camera reviews, you will find that *all* point-n-shoot digital cameras struggle in low-light situations without use of a flash. That is simply the nature of using small photo sensors. The best low-light digital cameras (non-DSLR) are the Fuji F30/F31/S6500 series.

You can get fine low-light photos from any modern digital camera by using a tripod and a longer exposure, provided you do not have a moving subject.

And of course you get a large zoom with an SLR - you purchase a zoom lens.


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Old Dec 19, 2006, 1:04 PM   #5
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I would probably just go for a Pentax K100d without the kit lens and get a decent 28-300mm AF lens. You'd probably never need to change the lens so it's basically a high quality point-and-shoot with much better overall performance than any of those camera, and after the $50 rebate would probably run you about $600 at buydig.com. If that's too much, get the K110d for $100 less, but you then wouldn't have image stabilization.

The other bonus here is that even though you say you don't want an SLR, if you change your mind later on, you already have an SLR and can start buying some more lenses. Also, if you later upgrade to another Pentax, it'll be far cheaper because you already have lenses.
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Old Dec 19, 2006, 1:05 PM   #6
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I have checked out many reviews, and they all condradict each other- saying a camera is top notch, then saying that the picture quality is terrible.

When i said i will never get a large zoom on an slr, i meant that i am never intending on spending every penny i own to buy a range of lenses that will sit at home and never be used, just like my 35mm slr at the moment

As was stated, i can achieve the results by lowering the shutter speed and using a tripod, however this is pointless as it means having to carry my tripod with me everywhere i go!
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You're right.

Unfortunately there are no good cameras.

Perhaps they'll manage to make one you like a few years from now. The laws of physics are pretty much fixed though, so don't hold your breath.


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Old Dec 19, 2006, 1:23 PM   #8
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The Fuji and panasonic have the features i require, large zoom, manual focus and zoom rings, ability to add flash gun, raw capability etc, but they all seem to have one very big problem- NOISE!
The Fuji's seem to be on the leading edge in terms of low noise in a small sensor camera. So if they aren't good enough, nothing short of a DSLR will likely be. You may want to look first at the Fuji S6000, however, as it is likely a bit better than the others as far as low noise. It does lack the flash hot shoe, however. Maybe you could make do with a slave flash?

http://dcresource.com/reviews/cameraDetail.php?cam=893

If you want more than that on a tight budget, consider the Pentax K110D. It's currently available fro about $420 after rebate with an 18-55 kit lens. Add a Sigmo 70-300 for about $135 and you're pretty well covered up to about a 450mm equivalent FOV -- for only about $550 total. Or you might find some legacy Pentax lenses that will do for even less used.

But even so you will have limitations if you are hoping to do something like serious sports or action photography. That's as much value as you'll likely get though for the price in a long zoom.

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Steve, an SLR with a 28-300mm would give the camera the same zoom range as a Panasonic FZ30/50 at about the same price, just without the noise. On a K100d, it would also have most of the same features, be about the same size and weight, and you can keep the lens when you move up to another camera in the future. I'm not understanding how that isn't a practical solution.
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I cannot get an slr in uk, for same price as the Panasonic FZ50.

i can get this for 340, whereas the Digi SLRs start at 360 body only, plus another 160 at least for zoom of around 28-300mm

this completely blows my budget

I cannot afford to buy a super zoom lens as well as digi slr at the moment, but if i make do with standard lens for now, it still means at a later date, having two lenses, like i have at present with my 35mm slr.

Im considering if i buy something like the panasonic, as long as i keep it at iso 100 its fine, and if i have to go above that i could shoot in raw mode perhaps?
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