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Old Nov 28, 2008, 3:07 PM   #1
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I'm a Newbie who had a Olympus E500 which i sold (after 2 months)as its IQ and noise at ISO 400 put me off and the 3 AF points...

Now Sold

I always shot in AUTO mode and never took a RAW photo



I now have been using a Panasonic DMC FX10 but have been looking at these 3 DSLR



I'm stuck between a Sony Alpha a 200 or a Canon Eos 20d...

I've seen the EOS 20D going for between £250 to £300 with 18-55mm IS Lens

I've seen the A200 going for £250 at Argos

Which one of the 2 has the better IQ and low noise at high ISOs...



Also does the EOS-1Ds beat them both on IQ and noise at ISO



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Old Nov 28, 2008, 4:09 PM   #2
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It's hard to make a valid comparison between the two because the20D is an older 8MP camera while the Sony A200 is a current model witha 10MP image sensor.

Can you explain how you narrowed your selection to these two?
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Old Nov 28, 2008, 11:38 PM   #3
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if you thought noise with the e-500 was bad, you will likely feel the same with the a-200. As far as the others go, its hard to evaluate given the difference in age.

In any case, at least according to dxomark tests, shooting in raw the eos 20d will have less noise than either. Or, to be more precise, you can push the ISO higher before you will start encountering significant noise with the eos 20d. Its downsides will come from it being a 4 year old camera...

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It's hard to make a valid comparison between the two because the20D is an older 8MP camera while the Sony A200 is a current model witha 10MP image sensor.

Can you explain how you narrowed your selection to these two?
well you can get them for less than £300



Sony A200 from Argos

and the EOS 20D for between £250-£300 (18-55 IS Lens)

the EOS-1Ds i have seen for £450 (body only) which i would go for becauses its the cheapest Full Frame DSLR

I'm swinging more towards the EOS 20D, but if the EOS-1Ds is MUCH MUCH better, I could Re-morgage my house and go for that one

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Old Nov 30, 2008, 1:06 PM   #5
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The Canon 20D is, I presume, used. Buying a used dLSR is a big gamble. The shutter has a finite life expectancy, and the 20D was a serious camera in its day, so it may be close to its day of reckoning. I suggest you use the heck out of it before you leave the store (to reveal any problems), and make sure you get a warranty, not just a guarantee.

The same goes for the 1Ds, btw.
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Old Nov 30, 2008, 3:47 PM   #6
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Ok ive narrowed i down to



Canon EOS-1000D DSLR Camera with EF-S18-55mm Lens (£299) BRAND NEW from ARGOS
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EOS 20D EF-S18-55mm LensSECOND HAND £250

which has the best IQ and has good noise control

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As was mentioned earlier, buying used DSLR's is a crapshoot. The 20d is 4 years old, and has been replaced by 3 camera's at this point. Yes it was a good camera for it's day, but with rapidly evolving technology, you'll likely get just as good IQ from an entry level DSLR from today. The 20d was a semi pro camera, and has likely been put through it's paces, and getting it repaired will likely cost you 50% or more of the current cost of the camera, especially if it's the shutter that goes. If you were looking at it as a backup, it might be a good deal. But as a primary camera, I think you're better served by buying a new entry level DSLR.
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The Canon 1000Dhasa 10MP image sensor, 'Live View', a stabilized lens, and it's new!
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Buy the new camera from Argos (which comes with a better lens too).
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Old Dec 1, 2008, 4:12 PM   #10
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I've asked the same question at AVFORUMS in the Digital phtography section and they all went for the 20D :O



If we were to put the Gimmicks out the question (liveview, megapixels, dust reduction, age, condition)

which one offers better Image Quality at ISO 100 to 1600, lighting fast auto focusing, low light performance,

the 1000Dor the 20D








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