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Old Feb 2, 2009, 9:22 AM   #11
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Optically, the 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II AF-S DX is slightly better than the 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR AF-S DX lens, but the VR might help where the non-VR wouldn't, depending onhow you use it.And just to be clear, the Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS is better than both. So since you're considering the Canon XS & XSi as well, a Canon might be a better choice.

And, to clear something up, a dSLR will let you take better photos, but it will also let you take worse photos. A dSLR is a much more capable photographic tool than a P&S digicam is, but the biggest variable in image quality is the photographer.
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Old Feb 3, 2009, 12:43 AM   #12
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Just for fun I did a comparison to see what the final price would be, Nikon vs. Canon.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...Si_a_k_a_.html (Canon Rebel XSi with 18-55mm IS Lens)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...124&is=REG (Sandisk 4GB Extreme III - 30 Mb/s SD card)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...98&is=GREY (Canon 220EX Speedlite TTL Shoe Mount Flash)

Total $823.85

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&s ku=580124&is=REG (Sandisk 4GB Extreme III - 30 Mb/s SD card)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...17&is=GREY (Nikon SB-400 Speedlight i-TTL Shoe Mount Flash)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...061&is=REG (Nikon D80 body)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...21&is=GREY (Nikon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR AF-S DX Nikkor Lens)

Total $823.80

So it's basically the same price for two combos that are pretty much comparable right?

Another thing, would I definitely need a flash? (I do take lots of indoor shots).



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I'll say that you either need a flash or a large aperture lens for indoor shots. I'm an advocate for available light shooting, but others here (many others) use flash. As far as flash is concerned, I'll say that if you're going to use a flash, you should spend the extra money on a bounce flash.

Also, I notice that everything you've selected is gray market, which means that the only warranty you'll have is with the retailer. I would suggest you spend a few dollars more and get the USA products instead of the Imported products, especially for the camera and the flash.
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I'll say that you either need a flash or a large aperture lens for indoor shots. I'm an advocate for available light shooting, but others here (many others) use flash. As far as flash is concerned, I'll say that if you're going to use a flash, you should spend the extra money on a bounce flash.

Also, I notice that everything you've selected is gray market, which means that the only warranty you'll have is with the retailer. I would suggest you spend a few dollars more and get the USA products instead of the Imported products, especially for the camera and the flash.
What's the difference between the two typles of flashes (bounce and non-bounce?).
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A bounce flash has a head that can angle up in a couple of stops. This allows you to bounce the light off the ceiling which spreads the light over a much wider area, softening it and eliminating shadows and red eye. The bad news is this reduces the range, but this is typically a good trade off. some of the better flashes also rotate allowing you to bounce even when the camera is held in portrait orientation.

The Canon flash you're looking at does not bounce, the Nikon SB400 does. Note that both these flashes are small and basic, and will have limited range to begin with.
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What do you guys think about Ken Rockwell's comments about getting a D40 over a D80?
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Heh, I take it you disagree with him?
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Take Rockwell with a grain of salt. He writes to create buzz to get traffic to his site. Some of his reviews are valid, some of his stuff is just him being controversial. Read him for entertainment purposes. If you want good solid reviews and commentary on Nikon gear, go to www.bythom.com.
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