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Old Sep 7, 2009, 11:48 AM   #211
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Default Sony H-20 Tweaked a Bit

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We could not exactly duplicate the tweaks on the Sony H-20 supper zoom. However, we did use EV-0.3. Also, you are not seeing things, I could not get the scenes exactly the same, the format is a bit different. Please keep in mind that we are looking at image quality in these photos, not formats.

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Old Sep 7, 2009, 12:06 PM   #212
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Default The Canon XS with a few tweaks

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Here is roughly the same scene taken with the Canon XS DSLR. The tweaks used here were EV-0.7 and one unit of saturation. We had to increase the Exposure Compensation, as the XS tends to over expose by about EV +0.3, so match the Sony A-230 we used more EV.

The zoom used in all three of these photos is right at 100mm

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Old Sep 7, 2009, 12:44 PM   #213
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Default Sony A-100 and the Famous Minolta 70-210mm Lens

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One more sample, and this one includes a bit of history. This photo was taken with the Sony A-100 DSLR camera, using the very famous Minolta 70-210mm "beer can" lens.

I used EV-0.3 and one unit of saturation. However, the difference is surprisingly different. To my eyes is shows more blue. Check it out.

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Old Sep 7, 2009, 12:58 PM   #214
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Default Bradley with the Minolta 70-210mm Lens

I have not had the Minolta 70-210mm "beer can" lens out in awhile. So, I also did a photo of Bradley using that lens. It is a great lens that I purchased for $27 on E-Bay.

So just a little reminder, all of the old Minolta AF lenses will work just fine on any Sony DSLR camera. It could be a way to save some $$ on lenses.

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Old Sep 7, 2009, 1:09 PM   #215
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Hey there!
I think I am getting cold feet - everything you all are discussing is WAY over my head. I don't think I could even get a picture with a dslr. I appreciate everything you all have done - Sarah, the photos are fabulous. I believe that the Sony a230 is the clear winner in this experiment - the photo quality, color and sharpness is amazing.
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I think the last thing I'd do is try and tweak all of the settings so that the photos look the same between them. What's the point of buying one over the other? ;-)

Also, what one user thinks is a "better" look may not be what another user thinks is a "better" look (i.e., the way you adjust the settings may be different than the way I'd adjust them).

The camera manufacturers spend a lot of time trying to figure out the best settings to default a camera to for the buyers they're trying to target with a given camera model.

The Sony A230 is targeting someone buying their first dSLR, and that type of buyer may be accustomed to images from their point and shoot models (with a bit more contrast, saturation and sharpening by default compared to most higher end dSLR models).

So, I think they've done a pretty good job with the settings used by default with it (not as much "punch" as some of you may want to see, yet just enough to keep most entry level dSLR users happy without going so far as to destroy too much detail or give them an unnatural look).

You also have a variety of scene modes (so that the user can simply switch to a different mode to match what they're shooting like sports mode, landscape mode, etc.) Again, that's designed to make it easy for a user to get better results, without being bothered with a lot of complexity. Not everyone wants to be a camera expert. ;-)

The screens also give you lots of tips on what a mode is supposed to do. For example, click on the link you'll see on this page under Easy Shooting Mode selection to see some of those screens:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665879068

So, if anything, I'd compare the preset modes versus tweaking individual settings for the type of buyer this camera is being targeted at.
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I have not had the Minolta 70-210mm "beer can" lens out in awhile. So, I also did a photo of Bradley using that lens. It is a great lens that I purchased for $27 on E-Bay.
I can remember when you could buy them all day long for under $100. Not anymore though. LOL
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The XS shot looks much better. Now I'm curious to see how it compares with the A230.
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Default The Nikon D-40 DSLR with a Few Tweaks

Hi there, JimC-

Yes, I bought that Minolta 70-210mm right when you and I started collecting Minolta lenses, I guess that was back in early 2006. It still is a great lens.

After these 5 photo samples, I agree with you that it is very hard to experimentally tweak these cameras to attempt to get the same resulting photo.

So, this photo sample will be the last of the tweaked photo samples. This photo was taken with another entry level DSLR camera, the Nikon D-40, and I set it as follows: EV-0.3, saturation +1 unit. You will also notice that the tide has also come in too.

And T, I went and got the Nikon D-40, because the D-40 is specially designed to be a DSLR camera that is as simple to use as a Point & Shoot camera. please keep in mind that I have to respond to all of the posts in this thread, therefore, due the posts of others, I have had to be more technical in the last 30 or so hours. Please do not be discouraged, T, technical details are something you pick up over time. I will make a real effort to keep things as non technical as possible.

If you also notice, I have spent a lot of time offering C&C, and doing long posts on shooting techniques. So, I have sincerely made an effort to have material in this thread that would appeal to a wide spectrum of digital camera users.

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Old Sep 7, 2009, 2:33 PM   #220
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thanks for the 'sea' pixs....its hard for me to 'see' today..(too much time on the comp..I guess) what's your professional thoughts of the 230, h-20 and canon in those shots?
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