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Old Dec 21, 2009, 2:56 PM   #61
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Just curious, but what does this sentence mean? This is in relation to Panasonic's 20mm F/1.7 lens and kit lens.

"Get the 20mm f/1.7 but that lensís lack of OIS meant that its f/1.7 was no faster than the f/3.5 of the 14-45mm kit zoom from a steadiness perspective."

What does it mean by 'no faster'? Sorry for side tracking.

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Old Dec 21, 2009, 3:13 PM   #62
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Hey Justin,

Just to follow-up and clarify a few things.

The Olympus EVF works only on the EP-2 (not the EP-1), so if you want the EVF in an Olympus, you will have to get the EP-2.

Focus speed is faster on the Panasonic, that is a fact. However, for your intended usage, of landscapes, general get-together, and street photography, the Olympus would be more than up to those tasks.

So it looks like the EP-2 kit and then adding the Panasonic 20 1.7 would be a good kit for your needs.
Yup, gotcha. I meant the EVF for E-P2.

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Old Dec 21, 2009, 3:45 PM   #63
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Just curious, but what does this sentence mean? This is in relation to Panasonic's 20mm F/1.7 lens and kit lens.

"Get the 20mm f/1.7 but that lensís lack of OIS meant that its f/1.7 was no faster than the f/3.5 of the 14-45mm kit zoom from a steadiness perspective."

What does it mean by 'no faster'? Sorry for side tracking.

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using the term faster is not really correct as used.

it basically means that because the kit lens has OIS it allows for shooting at lower shutter speeds than not. giving it equal low-light shooting performance than the non-stabilized 20 1.7, so while the 20 1.7 is a faster lens 1.7v3.5 this advantage is negated by the image stabilizer. (the caveat this only holds true for static subjects as IS cannot stop motion blur from the subject, only higher shutter speeds)

the advantage to the oly's is that you get not only the faster 1.7 20mm lens, but you also get the IS.
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The EP-2 will double you budget, with everything you are looking for it will be almost the price of the D90. But I think that the ep-2 with the evf is a better option then the clip on optical one from the ep-1. It will give you the view from the lens. So if you put on a zoom, you will have the correct aspect.
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using the term faster is not really correct as used.

it basically means that because the kit lens has OIS it allows for shooting at lower shutter speeds than not. giving it equal low-light shooting performance than the non-stabilized 20 1.7, so while the 20 1.7 is a faster lens 1.7v3.5 this advantage is negated by the image stabilizer. (the caveat this only holds true for static subjects as IS cannot stop motion blur from the subject, only higher shutter speeds)

the advantage to the oly's is that you get not only the faster 1.7 20mm lens, but you also get the IS.
Ah, I see.

So if I understand correctly, with image stabilisation, I can use lower shutter speeds with kit lens, hence leaving the shutter open longer to gather more light in lower light conditions, which equals (or somewhat equals) to what the 20mm would.

The only catch with the kit lens is that due to such slower shutter speeds, any movement from my subjects will cause picture blur, where as using the 20mm, which is faster, I can freeze motion and have no motion blur. The only precondition is a steady hand.

Or I can just use a flash with the kit lens

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The EP-2 will double you budget, with everything you are looking for it will be almost the price of the D90. But I think that the ep-2 with the evf is a better option then the clip on optical one from the ep-1. It will give you the view from the lens. So if you put on a zoom, you will have the correct aspect.
Haha didn't I mentioned earlier about bursting my budget? small sacrifices will have to be made here and there for sure. I rather be a happy camper with my purchase than to settle for 'second best' - I'll be itching to use it more than not
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Getting the camera that is 100% right for you is essential.

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Ah, I see.

So if I understand correctly, with image stabilisation, I can use lower shutter speeds with kit lens, hence leaving the shutter open longer to gather more light in lower light conditions, which equals (or somewhat equals) to what the 20mm would.

The only catch with the kit lens is that due to such slower shutter speeds, any movement from my subjects will cause picture blur, where as using the 20mm, which is faster, I can freeze motion and have no motion blur. The only precondition is a steady hand.

Or I can just use a flash with the kit lens

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thats basically it, and just to clarify having the faster shutter speed from the prime will not only stop motion blur, but will also help the camera shake as well.

the great thing about the EP2 is you get the image stabilization and the fast prime.
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Got to the store, played with the E-P2 with viewfinder, E-P1 without viewfinder and GF1. I preferred the GF1 from the get go. The E-P2 was ridiculously overpriced and its basically an 'E-P1 in black + viewfinder'.

I am content and will settle for the GF1. I will be going to Cambodia and Bangkok next year, so in addition to the 20mm F/1.7 kit lens, I will save up for additional lenses; perhaps the Panasonic 14-140 or the 14-45 & 45-200 combo.

The only catch is, the GF1 20mm pancake kit set in black, is out of stock! Haha

More waiting for me.

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The GF1 is a nice piece of kit.

As is often the case, you really don't know what you will be happy with until you get to the store and get some hands-on time. this case proves it.
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