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Old Dec 24, 2009, 2:57 PM   #11
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I don't think you're ever going to get over the cost of the Sony/Zeiss 85mm f/1.4 (or their lack of a less expensive prime in that focal length) :-)

But, it's price is really not out of line with similar lenses. A Nikkor 85mm f/1.4 is going to run you over $1200 now from what I can see of current prices at vendors; and a Canon 85mm f/1.2L is going to run you over $1800 now after current discounts. ;-)

It's just that Sony doesn't have any less expensive offerings (like the dimmer Nikkor 85mm f/1.8 or Canon 85mm f/1.8 choices).
Absolutely. There isn't a doubt in my mind that the Sony/Zeiss 85/1.4 isn't the best lens of it's kind, and it's stabilized to boot. I just wanted a lower priced alternative.

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In primes, I've got the Minolta 28mm f/2, 50mm f/1.7, 100mm f/2 and 135mm f/2.8 Autofocus lenses (and they're all stabilized on my Sony A700). So, that's no big deal to me. lol
And I had the 50/1.7 and the 135/2.8 myself, and was pleased with how they performed in situations where their use was appropriate.

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I also suspect that most users would prefer using zooms anyway (and since newer camera models have been continuing to improve at higher ISO speeds, the need for brighter primes is going to diminish as time passes for most users).
I have no doubt that the majority of people would be pleased with the performance of a zoom lens used in combination with a high ISO setting.

My Konica Minolta Maxxum 5D (announced 15 July 2005) had a maximum ISO setting of 3200(+), but I found the image noise intolerable at 800, and any attempt to reduce the noise resulted in significant loss of detail. My Nikon D90 (announced 27 August 2008) has a maximum ISO setting of the same 3200(+), but I found the image noise intolerable at 1600, and any attempt to reduce the noise resulted in significant loss of detail. In my opinion, in 3 years, the maximum useable ISO on an entry level dSLR increased by just one stop. Manufacturers can play with their systems all they want, but in my experience, it will take a long time for ISO to compensate for not having a large aperture.
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Old Dec 24, 2009, 5:36 PM   #12
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Thank you all for the input. It is very much appreciated!

I will test out how each feels in my hand once the holidays pass over. But Best Buy is packaging the XSi and a bag for around $550. Is that a good deal? Why is it so cheaper than the others? Is it an older model?

Also should I wait to get a camera like in the new year seeing and hoping that cameras will possibly go down in price to make room for the new models?

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The model has been around for a year now, it was the top of the rebel line up till june 09 when the t1i replaced it as the top rebel. It is a very capable camera. And that is a very good price with the 18-55mm lens. It will serve you well, if you like the ergo of the camera.

Here is a link on with youtube workshops on doing things with a dslr.

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The XSi is a good camera. The bag is probably not worth very much, but no matter. I still use the camera bag that my first wife gave me as a birthday gift, and that my second wife's first dog chewed up.
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In my opinion, in 3 years, the maximum useable ISO on an entry level dSLR increased by just one stop. Manufacturers can play with their systems all they want, but in my experience, it will take a long time for ISO to compensate for not having a large aperture.
Just one stop means that instead of shooting at around f/2 with a 100mm f/2 or 85mm f/1.8, you could shoot at f/2.8 with a zoom. ;-)
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Just one stop means that instead of shooting at around f/2 with a 100mm f/2 or 85mm f/1.8, you could shoot at f/2.8 with a zoom. ;-)
Yeah, but I'd have needed that 85/1.4 Zeiss with my KM5D, but now I can get away with an 85/1.8. ;-)
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I just found out that Best buy is actually Future shop. And RIGHT NOW the Boxing day sale is on.....(on line)

The XSi is on for $599.99 cdn includes bag, UV filter and spare rechargeable battery
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well the canon battery is about 45 bucks, the filter about 12, and the bag about 15 buck. So it a pretty good deal with the 18-55mm lens that retails now for about 550 dollars.

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It is a good price to be had in Canada. The Canon XSi with 18-55 mm lens is typically $699 Canadian alone so the Futureshop deal is very good value. I ordered the deal myself and look forward to seeing how it compares to the Sony 330 I am using now.
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