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Old Jun 8, 2010, 4:28 PM   #81
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Thanks.

Max budget is 400. I can get a D3000 new for under that but just pushing it for a D5000.

The A230 seems lighter etc. Has some good features like in body stabalisation. Maybe i am being an idiot thinking that the Nikon would be a better choice?

Pity the A230 doesn't come, Body Only.

Still, those are my 3 short listed DSLRs.
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Old Jun 8, 2010, 4:30 PM   #82
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I respectfully disagree, shoturtle-

The OP's needs can be easily handled by the Nikon 18-88mm VR and the 55-200mm VR lenses, both of which are inexpensive costing less that $200 each.

Sure, if you want a Sigma 30mm F 1.4 lens, that will be around $400, but that is not excessive for that quality lens. I own 2 Nikon D-5000 cameras.

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You have both the a230 and the D5000. Which do you prefer and why?

Noticeable pic quality between the 2?
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Old Jun 8, 2010, 6:07 PM   #83
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I shoot about equally with the D-5000 and the A-230.

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Old Jun 9, 2010, 3:45 AM   #84
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I shoot about equally with the D-5000 and the A-230.

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Which, would you consider, is the better of the 2 for image quality etc etc? I know a good photo is reliant on a good photographer and as you have more experience with DSLR than i have i would welcome your advice on which of the 2 is the 'better' camera. ta
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....i would welcome your advice on which of the 2 is the 'better' camera. ta
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I think you are looking for the Holy Grail and you are never going to
find it. All of the DSLRs you have looked at are capable of very
high image quality. The short answer is that the D5000 is the
better camera. It has a newer generation CMOS sensor plus
a few extra features like live view and HD video.
If you have a use for those extra features, then it may be worth
spending a few quid extra to buy them.

The DSLR market is fiercely competitive at the moment. The
global recession has reduced demand for luxury items like
consumer DSLRs, HD TV, foreign holidays etc.
All of the big name camera makers are making very good
cameras and prices are well down on what they were a
year or two ago. You won't go far wrong if you buy the Sony
or the Nikon or a Canon or Pentax or Panasonic or Olympus.......

You could spend the rest of your life agonizing about which
one has the best low-light/high-iso performance, fastest autofocus,
best battery life etc.......

The bottom line is that they are all fit-for-purpose.

Buy one which has a good range of lenses available. Canon
and Nikon have an advantage here, but Sony and Pentax are
fairly well catered for too.

I see a logical progression for this thread. You can't consider
the D5000 without also looking at the other class leaders:
The Canon Eos 500D/T1i and The Pentax K-x. But you can't
really consider the 500D without also looking at it's new
stable-mate the 550D/T2i. This inevitably leads to a comparison
with the Nikon D90 (which has that built-in focus motor you were
worried about). And so on.....

For your first DSLR, the Sony or the Nikon D5000 would be
an excellent choice. When you make your choice, buy it
and then DON'T LOOK BACK. You didn't make the wrong
choice. The other option wouldn't have been much better
or worse. Enjoy your new camera. Take some nice pictures
and don't forget to come back here and show some of them to
us.
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I think Corkpix makes excellent points. The one thing I would add is that you are buying into a system when you buy a dSLR. If, for example, you buy the D5000, you are also buying lenses for a Nikon camera. Over time, they will be a considerably larger investment than the camera body. So, when you get a new camera, you will probably be getting a Nikon. While folks have rightly mentioned that the D5000 lacks the focus motor in the body of the D90, which limits the lenses you will likely want to buy for the D5000 vs the D90, the other limitation is probably a bigger one -- you are shutting yourself off from other camera types. Buy a D5000 and you will likely be a Nikon user for years to come. Buy an A-230 and you'll likely be a Sony user for years to come. One of the big things that Nikon and Canon have going for them is the expectation that they will continue to be the leaders in this field for years to come. FWIW
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http://www.dpreview.com/news/1006/10...nya390a290.asp

Very interesting!!
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Basically, the A290 is like the A230, only with a redesigned grip and a higher resolution sensor (14MP CCD, as used in the A350 and A380); and the A390 is like the A290, only with Live View and a tilting LCD.

We'll have to wait for sample images to tell for sure (as Sony may have refined the sensors and improved Noise Reduction Algorithms). But, the 12MP and 14MP CMOS Sensors (as used in the A500 and A550) have a better reputation for image quality at higher ISO speeds compared to the 14MP CCD sensors (which is one reason Sony probably limits the highest ISO speed to ISO 3200 in models using them). If you're not using higher ISO speeds that often, then it may not make any difference to you.
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Good Morning, koolpc-

Well, you have had some excellent posts to this thread. Corkpix, tclune, and JimC have all covered things nicely providing a wealth of excellent information. So the next step is pretty much up to you.

Keep in mind that the cost of a DSLR camera is just the opening moment, after that comes additional lenses, external flash units and the like. That is why you are indeed, just a tclune posted, investing in a "system." The additional lenses that you might purchase will probably be from the maker of your DSLR camera and system, as will be the external flash as well.

All of the entry level DSLR cameras are uniformly capable of producing very good image quality.You will notice that right away when shooting with a DSLR camera. Your kit will become larger and a bit heavier due to the physical size of the DSLR bodies, the need for added lenses, and perhaps the need for the external flash as well.

As a digital camera instructor I have multiple DSLR's from a variety of camera manufacturers, as I use the DSLR's to demonstrate in my classes. Take a good look at all of the entry level DSLR cameras, be sure to physically handle them as well. How a camera feels in hand and how your own hand spans the controls is quite important. Above all, make the selection process fun.

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Old Jun 9, 2010, 11:57 AM   #90
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Hi

Well, i am going to wait to see how the new Sonys stack up. They look very interesting indeed!
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