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Old Jun 13, 2010, 9:10 AM   #21
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The Tamrom 17-50 has better aperture and better reviews than the Pentax.
TCav mentioned the Tamrom without IS is better than the same with IS, but I found reviews indicating the opposite. It seems the older one
without IS has a high variation in quality, so I am a little uncertain here...
Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 XR Di II LD Aspherical IF SP AF (Tested)
Tamron AF 17-50mm f/2.8 SP XR Di II LD Aspherical [IF]
Tamron AF 17-50mm f/2.8 SP XR Di II LD Aspherical [IF]
Tamron AF 17-50mm f/2.8 XR SP Di II

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Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 XR Di II VC LD Aspherical IF SP AF (Tested)
Tamron AF 17-50mm f/2.8 XR Di II LD Asph. [IF] VC

I gave up my Tamron 17-50/2.8 when my Minolta (Sony) body failed. I bought a Nikon D90 so I could get an 85/1.8 for shooting indoor sports. I really miss having a good, fast, stabilized, standard zoom. Canon has the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM, but it's over $1,000. Nobody's got anything comparable, period. If you want a good, large aperture, standard zoom that's stabilized, get a stabilized body and go with the Tamron 17-50/2.8, Sigma 18-50/2.8 or Pentax 16-50/2.8.
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Old Jun 13, 2010, 9:18 AM   #22
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Canon T2i / 550D with
c) Canon EF-S 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 IS + EF-S 55-250mm 4.0-5.6 IS DZ (Kit) = EUR 1080
d) Sigma 17-70mm F2.8-4.0 DC Makro OS HSM + Canon EF 70-300 1:4-5.6 IS USM = EUR 1500
e) Tamron SP AF 17-50 mm F/2.8 XR Di II VC LD Aspherical + Canon EF-S 55-250 mm 4-5.6 IS = EUR 1280

... With the Canon it is more difficult; option d is supposed to be very good, but it also costs a lot. Do you have experience with these lenses? Are they clearly superior in real live compared to the ones from option c or e?
Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 DC Macro (Tested)
Sigma AF 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 DC macro
Sigma AF 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 DC
Sigma AF 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 DC

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Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4 DC Macro OS HSM (Tested)
Sigma AF 17-70mm f/2.8-4 DC HSM OS

Again,the unstabilized version is superior to the stabilized version. If you want this kind of lens with stabilization, get it in the body.
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Old Jun 13, 2010, 9:39 AM   #23
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I stand correct. But I do not count the ranges under 135 as a tele, and the 500 is a mirror lens. So I was incorrect sony has 6 long tele lens. But lets take your definition of tele with pentax.

Pentex has the DA 50-135, DA 50-200, DA 60-250, DA 300m, DA 200, DA 77, DA 70, FA 100 macro, DA 55-300mm So they are about the same in telephoto lenses.

But that puts the pentax and sony about the same with pentax actually edgeing out sony with telephoto. 10 to 9, I will throw the kit lenses sony 50-200 in with the dal 55-300.

I do not go to uses, as not everyone goes to the used market.

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The Sony 70-200 'G', 70-300 'G', 70-400 'G', 100/2.8 Macro, Zeiss 85/1.4, Zeiss 135/1.8, 300/2.8 'G', and 500/8 Reflex, best (or at least match) similar lenses from Canon and Nikon, they're all stabilized on a Sony dSLR body, and Pentax has few lenses in the same class.

And that doesn't include all the uniquely Minolta lenses on the used market, like the 70-210/4.0 'Beercan', the 75-300 Macro 'Big Beercan', the 80-200/2.8 'G', the 100-300 APO, the 100-400 APO, the 100/2, 200/2.8 'G', 200/4.0 Macro, and the 300 'G', 400 'G' and 600 'G' lenses, all of which, again, are stabilized on a Sony dSLR body.
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correction they are tied, I forgot about the 75-300 the sony has. 10 to 10.
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correction they are tied, I forgot about the 75-300 the sony has. 10 to 10.
Yeah, well, the Sony 75-300 isn't anything to be proud of. I was only listing the best of Sony's lenses, that are at least the equal of anything Canon and Nikon have to offer.

In the same vein, I'd have not mentioned some of the Pentax lenses you listed.

Pentax' selection of telephoto lenses is weak and always has been. That is not to say that they don't have anything, and can't take advantage of some very good third party lenses; their selection just isn't as good as for Canon, Nikon and Sony.
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I think if you count just canon tele it puts both sony and pentax to same. Just off the top of my head

2-70-300mm, 5-70-200mm, 100-400mm, 3-100mm, 2-85mn, 24-105, 28-135, 33-300, 200mm, 300mm, 500mm, 24-70. I know I am missing a bunch more.
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I think if you count just canon tele it puts both sony and pentax to same. Just off the top of my head

2-70-300mm, 5-70-200mm, 100-400mm, 3-100mm, 2-85mn, 24-105, 28-135, 33-300, 200mm, 300mm, 500mm, 24-70. I know I am missing a bunch more.
I concede that. I'm just talking about the top-of-the-line offerings. Sony's Zeiss 85/1.4 is better than either of Canon's, Sony's 70-300 'G' is better than Canon's 70-300 IS USM, Sony's 70-200/2.8 'G' is as good or better than Canon's 70-200/2.8 IS USM, etc., etc., etc.
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The 70-300G is 800 vs the canon 70-300 at 450. So I would expect it to be optically better. But the 70-200G is up for debate if it is better or not compare to the canon.
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... But the 70-200G is up for debate if it is better or not compare to the canon.
That's why I said "as good or better".
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I'm from the school of thought they are the same actually.
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