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Old Nov 18, 2010, 6:59 AM   #21
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If video is not important, then I suggest looking at Olympus E-450 and E-620... I am not in a position of giving recommendations, but from what I have read, these too cameras are really good at taking photos... and they have been praised for their lenses, Olympus 14-42 and 40-150. You can pick these cameras with two lens kit at a very good price. Here is a review about the 14-42 lens:

http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/...2_3p5-5p6_o20/

and here is a review of E-620:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse620/

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Old Nov 18, 2010, 8:23 AM   #22
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Just be sure you pick a body that doesn't leave you with buyers regret that you did not get a feature or 2 later on.

The beautiful part of dslr's is you can always pick up another lens later on, but changing the body can make you seem silly.

T2i is a good camera but be sure to compare the noise inbetween the cameras.

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Interesting so I can't even post proof to support my statement and the fanboys get their way?

Its fine really, I just tried to help but the OP will be the loser here, not me.
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Old Nov 18, 2010, 9:35 AM   #24
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The e-620 is a very good camera, but the draw back is the high iso performance. Oly does have the best jpeg engine on the market. So if shooting pass 1600iso is not a big deal. You get some great photos with the e620

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If video is not important, then I suggest looking at Olympus E-450 and E-620... I am not in a position of giving recommendations, but from what I have read, these too cameras are really good at taking photos... and they have been praised for their lenses, Olympus 14-42 and 40-150. You can pick these cameras with two lens kit at a very good price. Here is a review about the 14-42 lens:

http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/...2_3p5-5p6_o20/

and here is a review of E-620:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse620/
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Old Nov 18, 2010, 9:39 AM   #25
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I would not call jim a canon fanboy. He shoots a sony.

There is a sticky not to embed material form other sites, rather to just link it. I link image resources material all the time, I just do not embed.

But reading your post, you sounded more like the fanboy actually. But that is from my reading of the post.

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Interesting so I can't even post proof to support my statement and the fanboys get their way?

Its fine really, I just tried to help but the OP will be the loser here, not me.
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Interesting so I can't even post proof to support my statement and the fanboys get their way?
They're not your photos to post.

Again, all you need to do is tell them to use the Comparometer at http://www.imaging-resource.com if they want to compare those same high ISO speed samples side by side (that's where they came from).

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Interesting so I can't even post proof to support my statement and the fanboys get their way?

Its fine really, I just tried to help but the OP will be the loser here, not me.
Fanboy? I think one should look at themselves before throwing around terms like that.

The people with whom you are referring to have a long posting history here, and if you look into that, you will find that term not to hold any water. I can speak for myself that I make my suggestions based off the information in the post, not any brand loyalty, I personally could care less what brand they buy, it impacts me all of zero, I just want them to have the information to get the tool they need. But I will challenge blanket statements that are simply not true. And cherry-picking images and posting illegally as "proof" of your statements is not good evidence, nor helpful at all. Before you arrogantly surmise that you are the only one helping the OP and the rest of us are getting in the way, think about it.
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Hello Hards80

What camera/cameras have you used for your photos on your Flickr? very nice photos actually with excellent colors...
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What camera/cameras have you used for your photos on your Flickr? very nice photos actually with excellent colors...
I am sure Hard has great "tools", but it is also art and skill that make those wonderful pictures.
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Hards shoots a canon 50D and an olympus epl-1. And the camera's mention in your thread are all very very close in IQ. 60D, d7000, and the k-5. It comes down to proper lenses for what you are shooting.

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What camera/cameras have you used for your photos on your Flickr? very nice photos actually with excellent colors...
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