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Old Aug 21, 2011, 7:46 PM   #1
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Default New Canon dslr body or switch to other brand?

I currently have a rebel xt has always been a massive disappoint to me in terms of it lack of image sharpness and its almost at times pastel like color out put even outdoors with excellent light (even when compared to my old olympus c5050z or even c2020z) I got the xt for summer vacation trip to Washington D.C. , the trip was great the photos massive disappointment . Recent un mothballed the xt and pegged the camera setting for max sharpness and most vibrant color out put and I'm still underwhelmed with the photos. Spending about 5 to 10 minutes on each photo trying get the pictures the way I like it flashed me back to struggling with the D.C photos in 2005 . The new Canon Dslr bodies Im looking at are the T3 and T2i ( 12.1 vs 18 mp and different hd video controls) but both use the digic 4 photo processor. Can the Digic 4 be forced to make sharp clean photos with colors of decent vibrancy or are canons still stuck with the bad 80's soft porn mushy blahness of the rebel xt . I've got some legacy kit .. two lens a newer 18to55 ef II is and 18 to 125 sigma zoom lens (non IS) and a sigma zoom ef 500 dg super zoom flash. So can save some money if I stick with canon. I guess the real question is with the newer canon's ,can I make the camera take my style of photos without tons of post process or would I better served with another brand (i.e nikon, olympus , etc....)? Thanks, any constructive posts welcomed.

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I have two Canon DSLRs and I don't recognise any of what you're saying. Colours are vibrant, photos can be as sharp as I want them. One has the Digic 4 processor, the other has Digic 2. I suggest you get informed advice, as I suspect you're doing something wrong (though I can't imagine what). Perhaps your camera is faulty and you've never realised.

As to whether a Canon or any camera can take "your style of photo", that largely depends on what that is - you haven't said.
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Hi I think if you posted some examples with exif data it may help us to help you
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Old Aug 22, 2011, 6:35 AM   #4
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Try doing a reset. (See pages 35 and 147 of your manual.)
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The likelihood of the problem being behind the camera instead of inside it is up in the high 90s.

Playing the odds therefore I would suggest that it probably doesn't matter whether you change brands or stick with Canon. A good photographer can take good pictures with any modern DSLR. A better camera buys you more options, but is usually harder to use and will therefore probably give you worse results.

Of course there is a small chance that your camera is defective. But in that case it also doesn't matter which brand you choose.

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Peripatecic please refrain further post on my threads if you can not be constructive as requested in the opening post. I have owed the Canon TX , A-1 , Nikon N60, Nikon L35af, Olympus c2020z and C5050 , Sony dsc s600 , Panasonic dmc tz5. I know how to use the manual controls , backlight issues, bracketing exposures, the influence of shutter speed and aperture on depth of field, etc, etc..... . I have taken THOUSANDS of excellent pictures with the above listed 35mm film and digital cameras list above I know how to take good photos. But from day one the Canon rebel XT has been and still is a source of disappoint with its photo output . Yes I know now maybe I have defective camera (I never thought about a defect due my great experiences I had with the TX and the A-1) . But as I have struggled to take control over this camera though its manual settings the only thing I could conclude was it default software was biased toward softness and a very mute color platted . (I will do a reset, and reapply of my preferences and see what that yields) . I had a friend who went with a Nikon 6.0mp dlsr of the day after a two day rent of the canon xt because he had similar issues XT's pictures softness and mute colors (all be it not as extreme as my camera) . Maybe that the best thing to with my next camera is rent or buy somewhere with liberal return policy like Costco regardless of the brand and sort out if it is what I like in camera during the return time . Oh thank you T cav for the pages in the manual I got the XT's pdf on my desktop.
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Hmm, after that little rant I'm afraid my estimation of the probability that you simply haven't learned how to use a DSLR properly goes from 90% to 99%.

You seem to be under the impression that experience with digital P&S and film SLRs means you don't need to learn anything when it comes to DSLRs. The good news is that you have a lot of general knowledge about photography. The bad news is that you still have more to learn when it comes to DSLR photography but have somehow formed the impression that you are an expert with nothing left to learn and that the fault must therefore be with your camera or possibly the entire Canon lineup.

Cameras have improved in the last 6 years, in particular they are more friendly to beginners. So buying a new camera (any brand will do) may satisfy you.

At the moment however the only relevant information you have provided about the problems you have had with your DSLR is that you cannot make good pictures and have assumed that because the problem cannot possibly lie with your lack of skill that the camera is to blame. This is a very common refrain. We hear it a lot, and it usually turns out to be operator error and hubris. Sometimes it is a faulty camera, such occasions are usually easy to spot because the poster adds lots of technical information about all the things they have tried to rectify the situation, is calm and logical and not generally hyped up about dismissing the entire brand as rubbish.

I'm sorry if you don't find that constructive, but my genuine advice is to go on a photography course that teaches you about how to get the best out of a DSLR. There are many good courses (and a lot of poor ones) about; but as you apparently already take thousands of great pictures with your other cameras maybe a Canon-run course would be what you need.

If you don't find the above suggestion constructive then here is an alternate one: Buy a Nikon D3100 - the colors are awesome and they are (almost) idiot-proof.
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I would also suggest, and this is intended to be highly constructive, that you take your Canon to a reputable dealer (preferably one that sells Canon as they may be familiar with that particular model) and ask them to inspect it and give you their opinion. To be honest, for such an experienced photographer as yourself I'm surprised this wasn't the first thing you did. It should take them two or three minutes to decide whether the camera is likely to be faulty.

And how about posting some examples of these dreadful images?

I might add that despite the age of the camera, if Canon decide the camera has been faulty from manufacture there is a good chance they will repair it free. That has been my and many others' experience with them.
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the only thing I could conclude was it default software was biased toward softness and a very mute color platted . (I will do a reset, and reapply of my preferences and see what that yields) .
Each manufacturer approaches default settings a different way. The good news is, sharpness / saturation / etc. are all configurable. For certain the default sharpening in ALL dslrs is less than what you see with point-and-shoot digicams.

It's certainly possible a given user may prefer one manufacturer's default settings over another. But since it's configurable, it's not a huge deal.
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But as I have struggled to take control over this camera though its manual settings the only thing I could conclude was it default software was biased toward softness and a very mute color platted . (I will do a reset, and reapply of my preferences and see what that yields) .
"reapply all of your preferences", huh? If you do that, you may end up with the same problems you're seeing now. Your "preferences" may be the entire problem (you just think you're going to prefer a setting when the setting is actually causing the problems).

For example, muted colors are often cause by a user setting color space to Adobe RGB. Well, guess what? If you're not using a color managed application to view those photos, where it maps them correctly for that color space, you're going to get muted colors with the camera set that way. That's one reason the camera manufacturers choose sRGB as the default color space.

Comments like these make me wonder if your settings are the main problem:

"...its almost at times pastel like color out put even outdoors with excellent light"

"...pegged the camera setting for max sharpness and most vibrant color out put"

Pegged the settings, huh? Bumping up settings all the way for things like saturation can cause pastel like colors with individual color channels clipped. Bumping up sharpness all the way can create halos and artifacts at edge transitions and destroy detail. Sharpness settings increase contrast at edge transitions to give the illusion of a sharper image and really ruin your images if set too high. Increasing Contrast can cause loss of detail in both highlights and shadows and reduce dynamic range, because it makes darker areas darker and lighter areas lighter.

I'd reset it to factory defaults, take some photos, and post the ones you are not happy with here so that members can comment *before* you start changing camera settings (as you may end up doing a lot more harm than good if you're making changes without realizing what impact they're going to have on your images). ;-)
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