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drsaurabhg Jan 13, 2012 2:25 PM

Samsung NX10 or Canon EOS 500D?
 
WHat are pros and cons of going for one of these cameras? which camera offer best IQ? thanks...

SIMON40 Jan 13, 2012 4:04 PM

In terms of dynamic range and higher iso noise control- the Canon edges it.
Electronic viewfinder or mirror based optical viewfinder- which do you prefer?
Canon also has a VAST back-catalogue of lenses and other accessories.
:)

drsaurabhg Jan 13, 2012 4:42 PM

i dont need mirror based optical viewfinder..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIMON40 (Post 1278182)
In terms of dynamic range and higher iso noise control- the Canon edges it.
Electronic viewfinder or mirror based optical viewfinder- which do you prefer?
Canon also has a VAST back-catalogue of lenses and other accessories.
:)

Simon, currently I have panasonic fz28. I do not need optical view finder. however, i wanted to buy a camera with exceptional IQ under 400-500 and a good zoom is desirable. I like all sorts of photography and want a camera which perform well in day as well as night. Superzooms lacks large sensor and IQ compared to DSLRs. . evil cameras lack high zoom, dslrs zoom lens are expensive... i'm confused!! I have seen canon 500D on UK ebay refurb for 300 straight from canon. i don't know which lens can i get for 10-15X zoom under 100-150. but i'm also worried about the bulk factor of dslrs with high zoom lens. i know evils don't have many lenses available now but what in future? if I buy a evil now and buy a zoom lens later, which evil would u recomment for ~ 300.

my priority in order would be:

1) Best IQ possible.
) inbuilt flash is a must.
2) Good zoom but i may sacrifice it if required for a while.
3) Features like panorama etc..
4) portability and size

if you were in my place with above priorities, which camera would u go for?

:confused::confused:

city_zen Jan 13, 2012 5:11 PM

If I were in your place, with your priorities, I think I'd go for a (refurb? used?) Canon T2i (=Canon 550D) which is only slightly more expensive than the T1i and is a better camera.
As for lens, if your budget allows it, I'd choose the Canon 18-135. It's not the best lens available (not by a long shot) but then you simply can't get exceptional image quality with a 10X lens (the canon 18-135 is only 7.5X, but it falls in the same category). However, I think the Canon 18-135 lens will give you a decent zoom with acceptable IQ.

just my 2 cents (or my 0.013, which is about the same :) )

SIMON40 Jan 13, 2012 5:47 PM

Given that you will be using zoom(albeit,in the future maybe) some form of image stabiliser has to be factored in- so maybe a DSLR or EVIL with in built stabiliser might be an idea..?
Even though I believe lens based stabilisers are superior(another debate,another day)- they are also costly. Maybe look at the Pentax K-r..? With its in-body stabiliser you could conceivably get away with a cheaper zoom lens- plus you can use many of the older(and cheaper) Pentax mount lenses- as this camera mount goes back a LONG way...

drsaurabhg- you say you're confused- well I don't think your confused,just a little over ambitious maybe. You state that you like ALL sorts of photography- and that you're looking for EXCEPTIONAL image quality- and possibly a decent zoom- all for between 400-500... it ain't gonna happen.
A bridge camera will cover all bases- but with the resultant compromises in IQ- though recent models are pretty good(but not exceptional).
Something with exceptional quality will have to be a large sensor camera- be it DSLR or EVIL- but as you like ALL types of photography- you'll need quite a few lenses- and the resulting cost is considerable.
The Panny G2/G3 with a 14-140mm lens is a lighter bit of kit,but expensive...
You could consider something like Tamron's 18-270mm lens on a DSLR as an "all in one" alternative- though they're not cheap,and these will be of little use indoors.
City-zen's suggestion isn't a bad one- if you attach the IS version of the 18-135 onto it.... :)

corkpix Jan 14, 2012 6:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drsaurabhg (Post 1278190)
I have panasonic fz28. I do not need optical view finder. however, i wanted to buy a camera with exceptional IQ under 400-500

I have a FZ28 and a 500D. The FZ28 gives excellent image quality in
good light. It is not capable of capturing action in low light.

The 500D is excellent in low light, especially if you have a fast
lens like the 50mm f/1.8 or f/1.4.

As a still camera, the 500D is an excellent performer, even when
compared to newer or more expensive models.

The 500D is not a good video camera because it doesn't have a
socket for an external mic. It can shoot full HD resolution, but
only at a reduced rate of 20fps. If you are interested in shooting
video, it is worth spending a little extra for the 550D.

Quote:

and a good zoom is desirable.
Why? Do you need very long focal length for wildlife shooting?
When you move from a superzoom like the FZ28 to a DSLR, you
may be tempted to buy a lens which covers a similar range of
focal length. This approach usually ends in disappointment.
Some of the superzoom lenses are pretty good, but they have
to make some compromises in speed (maximum aperture)
and optical quality (sharpness, distortion, colour aberration)
to achieve such a wide range of focal lengths. The better ones
like the Tamron 18-270 or the Sigma 18-250mm are quite expensive,
and they still aren't as good as two or more lenses covering the same
range of focal length.

Quote:

I like all sorts of photography
That could be a major challenge if you include the more difficult
situations like indoor sports.

Quote:

and want a camera which perform well in day as well as night.
All of them, including your FZ28 can give excellent results in
good daylight. You can also get very good results from the FZ28
at night if you use a low ISO setting and long exposure. This was taken
with my FZ28:
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/ph...-solstice.html

This one with the 500D:
http://pix.ie/corkpix/2381781/in/album/371362


Quote:

Superzooms lacks large sensor and IQ compared to DSLRs.
This is true or at least partially true. The superzoom with a small sensor
has a lower signal-to-noise ratio than cameras with a larger sensor. This
is not a problem when there is plenty of light available. When you need
to use a high ISO setting to capture a moving subject in low light, the
DSLR has a huge advantage.


Quote:

1) Best IQ possible.
A DSLR is probably the best choice here.

Quote:

) inbuilt flash is a must.
Most superzooms and entry to mid level DSLRs have a built-in flash.

Quote:

2) Good zoom but i may sacrifice it if required for a while.
I think you should make compromises here.

Quote:

3) Features like panorama etc..
The 500D doesn't have a sweep panorama mode. This is standard
on some of the newer bridge cameras. I think some of the mirrorless
interchangeable lens cameras also have it as a standard feature.

You can always make your own panoramas using software like Hugin.

Quote:

4) portability and size
Micro Four Thirds system cameras are a very attractive option.

Quote:

if you were in my place with above priorities, which camera would u go for?
Based on everything you have said, I would choose between the Canon 500D
(550D if video is a priority) or a mirrorless camera. The Panasonic G3 looks
particularly nice.

drsaurabhg Jan 14, 2012 3:56 PM

thanks!!
 
hey corkpix!! many thanks for the great input. I actually went to Jessops today to try out DSLRs and EVILS. I found 550D a great camera but its bulky as compared to EVILS. I am interested in Samsung NX11 or Panasonic GF3. I think Samsung one has larger sensor so do you think I could go for NX11?is there much of difference in picture quialty between both? I:) think Samsung is a bit cheaper as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by corkpix (Post 1278270)
I have a FZ28 and a 500D. The FZ28 gives excellent image quality in
good light. It is not capable of capturing action in low light.

The 500D is excellent in low light, especially if you have a fast
lens like the 50mm f/1.8 or f/1.4.

As a still camera, the 500D is an excellent performer, even when
compared to newer or more expensive models.

The 500D is not a good video camera because it doesn't have a
socket for an external mic. It can shoot full HD resolution, but
only at a reduced rate of 20fps. If you are interested in shooting
video, it is worth spending a little extra for the 550D.

Why? Do you need very long focal length for wildlife shooting?
When you move from a superzoom like the FZ28 to a DSLR, you
may be tempted to buy a lens which covers a similar range of
focal length. This approach usually ends in disappointment.
Some of the superzoom lenses are pretty good, but they have
to make some compromises in speed (maximum aperture)
and optical quality (sharpness, distortion, colour aberration)
to achieve such a wide range of focal lengths. The better ones
like the Tamron 18-270 or the Sigma 18-250mm are quite expensive,
and they still aren't as good as two or more lenses covering the same
range of focal length.

That could be a major challenge if you include the more difficult
situations like indoor sports.

All of them, including your FZ28 can give excellent results in
good daylight. You can also get very good results from the FZ28
at night if you use a low ISO setting and long exposure. This was taken
with my FZ28:
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/ph...-solstice.html

This one with the 500D:
http://pix.ie/corkpix/2381781/in/album/371362


This is true or at least partially true. The superzoom with a small sensor
has a lower signal-to-noise ratio than cameras with a larger sensor. This
is not a problem when there is plenty of light available. When you need
to use a high ISO setting to capture a moving subject in low light, the
DSLR has a huge advantage.


A DSLR is probably the best choice here.

Most superzooms and entry to mid level DSLRs have a built-in flash.

I think you should make compromises here.

The 500D doesn't have a sweep panorama mode. This is standard
on some of the newer bridge cameras. I think some of the mirrorless
interchangeable lens cameras also have it as a standard feature.

You can always make your own panoramas using software like Hugin.

Micro Four Thirds system cameras are a very attractive option.

Based on everything you have said, I would choose between the Canon 500D
(550D if video is a priority) or a mirrorless camera. The Panasonic G3 looks
particularly nice.


KCook Jan 14, 2012 8:26 PM

For lens selection the Panny GF3 would tempt me more than the Samsung.

Kelly Cook

pcake Jan 15, 2012 11:32 AM

that's how i ended up with the gf1 - the lenses offered me a lot more for the type of photography i do. and that's still the case, as both systems continue to offer more lenses.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCook (Post 1278394)
For lens selection the Panny GF3 would tempt me more than the Samsung.

Kelly Cook


drsaurabhg Jan 15, 2012 11:35 AM

what about IQ?
 
thanks for reply. what about IQ between the 2 if we leave lenses issue aside for a sec.?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCook (Post 1278394)
For lens selection the Panny GF3 would tempt me more than the Samsung.

Kelly Cook



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