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Old Feb 5, 2012, 9:42 AM   #11
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V1 is a point and shoot size sensor, and flash option is limited also.

X10 is nice if your daughter what better low light, but you only have a fix lens.

A long zoom is good to shoot candid street shots.
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V1 is a point and shoot size sensor

P&S = 6-10x crop
V1 = 2.7x crop
4/3 = 2x crop

So not P&S size, but smaller for sure than 4/3. However it's a later generation than most of the 4/3 cameras currently on sale. The real world difference is maybe 1 stop in low light. However the DXOMark scores show that the 1 sensor is has better color depth and dynamic range than the GF1 and the EPL3, though worse high-ISO performance. Overall scores at

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V1 -> 54.
EP3 -> 51
GX1 -> 55

The performance of the 1-series sensor is very much in the same league as the 4/3 sensors.

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X10 is nice if your daughter what better low light, but you only have a fix lens.
Sure but 28-110 f2-f2.8 is a pretty good range for street/documentary work. Many people don't need more than that.

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A long zoom is good to shoot candid street shots.
Shooting people in public with a long zoom is called "surveillance" and is not street photography.


I don't think that 4/3 is a bad choice, but a couple of years ago it was the only choice. Now it's not.

I would probably choose the X10 for your daughter.
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RAW work flow that is all I have to say. Cameralab review it, the v1 does not offer the same image quality in the real world as aps-c or 4/3. it is a smaller sensor, and the low really suffers above 800 compare to 4/3 and apsc.

Long zoom is not intrusive though, it is a give and take.
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Shooting people in public with a long zoom is called "surveillance" and is not street photography.
My feeling as well
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Old Feb 5, 2012, 12:23 PM   #15
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This is funny, we were just looking at the ads in today's News paper and thought maybe a high end point and shoot would meet her needs/wishes/wants/ect, come in to check the forum and you folks are already ahead of me. Still going to look at the 4/3 (I might get one) but also going to start looking for P&S for her too. Would like to find one that shoots in RAW, f 2 or 2.8 lens (her old P&S had a Leica f2.8 lens), minimum of 5x zoom starting at a wide angle of 24-28mm and most important can turn off face detection for faster focusing. Okay, my daughter is two months away from turning 21 and still thinks getting it all is easy.

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Would like to find one that shoots in RAW, f 2 or 2.8 lens (her old P&S had a Leica f2.8 lens), minimum of 5x zoom starting at a wide angle of 24-28mm and most important can turn off face detection for faster focusing.
You seem to be EXACTLY describing the Canon S100!!!!

Specs: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons100/page2.asp
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For a 21 year old girl fashion matters too.

The X10 wins on that count, but there is a new Olympus OM-D coming that will be M4/3 and likely take the coolness crown as well as having excellent IQ. Keep an eye out.
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Nice suggestions everyone, think we will take and show her the SX100 and the G12 as everything we have at the house is Canon already. The OM-D, that something I waiting to see, reminds me of my OM-1 I used for years.
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Well the OM-D has been announced. It looks like a real beauty. The very first 4/3 camera that has ever tempted me.

And it looks fantastic. A perfect gift for your daughter I reckon!
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Shooting people in public with a long zoom is called "surveillance" and is not street photography.
Yep.. and that also tends to give photographers a bad reputation and we already have too much negative press about how photographers are invading privacy, with groups pressing to ban public photography over it.

Here's a good essay on the subject written by Petteri Sulonen, giving some of the reasons why using a telephoto lens is a bad idea:

Telephoto is for Cowards
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