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Old Sep 13, 2004, 10:17 PM   #31
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Just added the Pentax Optio MX4 (4.2MP, 37-370mm, 375grams, ? for price). It does support other lenses / filters.
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Old Sep 14, 2004, 5:20 PM   #32
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I am also very interested in buying one of these cameras, so I thank you very much for doing it.

May ask you to add movie format info?

I think this a highly interesting feature if you are planning to record movies. I'm looking for mpeg4 cams, like Sony's M1 and Pentax's MX & MX4. Are there more? (pardon my ignorace)

Thnx!
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Old Sep 14, 2004, 8:03 PM   #33
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....May ask you to add movie format info?

I think this a highly interesting feature if you are planning to record movies. I'm looking for mpeg4 cams, like Sony's M1 and Pentax's MX & MX4. Are there more? (pardon my ignorace)

I now understand a little more on what these terms mean and am revising this posting. I believe that there are three or four compression algorithms (MPEG-4, Motion JPEG, MPEG1 and MPEG VX (I'm not sure that this is really a separate algorithm). Then there are different ways to save the files (MOV, AVI, MP4 and MPG). I am going to list each algorithm's cameras with sub-sort on how it save the file.

MPEG4 cameras saved as AVI:
Casio EX-S500
Casio EX-Z750
Casio Pro EX-P505
DigiLife DDV-S670
Fisher FVD-C1
Pentax OptioS5n
Samsung Digimax A50
Samsung Digimax A55W
Samsung Digimax i5
Samsung Digimax i50 MP3
Samsung Digimax L50
Samsung Digimax U-CA5

MPEG-4 cameras saved as MOV:
Kodak Easyshare-One
Kodak V530
Kodak V550
Pentax Optio MX
Pentax Optio MX4

MPEG-4 cameras saved as MP4:
Sanyo Xacti DMX-C4
Sony DSC-M1
Olympus C-770 (also does Motion JPEG saved as MOV for 15fps videos)

MPEG-4 cameras with unknown save as file:
DigiLife DDV-S660
Samsung Digimax L55W
Samsung Digimax V40
Samsung Digimax V50
Samsung Digimax V70
Samsung Digimax V700

Motion JPEG cameras saved as AVI:
Canon Powershot S1 IS
Canon Powershot S2 IS
Canon Powershot SD200 (also called IXUS 30)
Canon Powershot SD300 (also called IXUS 40)
Canon Powershot SD400 (also called IXUS 50)
Canon Powet SD500 (also called IXUS 700)
Casio EX-Z10
Casio EX-Z110
Casio EX-Z500
Contax i4R (I believe Motion JPEG, but not certain)
Contax SL300R T (I believe Motion JPEG, but not certain)
Contax U4R (I believe Motion JPEG, but not certain)
DXG 552
DXG 568
Epson L-410
Epson L500V
Fuji E550
Fuji E900
Fuji F10
Fuji F610
Fuji F700
Fuji F710
Fuji F810
Fuji M603
Fuji S20 Pro
Fuji S5100
Fuji S5200 (also known as S5600)
Fuji S5500
Fuji S7000
Fuji S9000 (also known as S9500)
Fuji Z1
Kyocera Finecam M400R
Kyocera Finecam S3R
Kyocera M410R
Kyocera S5R
Nikon 5200
Nikon 5900 (not sure saved as AVI)
Rollei
Rollei dr5
Samsung Digimax 370
Samsung Digimax 430
Samsung Digimax A5
Samsung Digimax A6
Samsung Digimax A7
Samsung Digimax V5
Samsung Digimax V6
Samsung Pro 815

Motion JPEG cameras saved as MOV
Minolta A200
Minolta Z1
Minolta Z2
Minolta Z3
Minolta Z5
Nikon 3700
Nikon 7600
Nikon 7900
Nikon 8400
Nikon 8700
Nikon 8800
Olympus C-7000
Olympus C-770 (for 15fps mode, 30fps is MPEG-4 saved as MP4)
Pentax 43WR
Pentax Optio 750Z

Motion JPEG cameras with unknown saved as file:
Kodak Easyshare P850
Kodak Eayshare P880
Panasonic DMC-FZ30
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FX9
Panasonic Lumix
Panasonic Lumix FX8

MPEG VX cameras saved as MPG :
Sony DSC-F828
Sony DSC-H1
Sony DSC-L1
Sony DSC-P100
Sony DSC-P120
Sony DSC-P150
Sony DSC-P200
Sony DS43
Sony DSC-P73
Sony DSC-P93
Sony DSC-S40
Sony DSC-S60
Sony DSC-S90
Sony DSC-T1
Sony DSC-T11
Sony DSC-T3
Sony DSC-T33
Sony DSC-T5
Sony DSC-T7
Sony DSC-V3
Sony DSC-W1
Sony DSC-W12
Sony DSC-W17
Sony DSC-W5
Sony DSC-W7

MPEG1 cameras:
HP Photosmart R817 and R818 (unknown saved as)
Rollei dp8300 (saved as AVI)

Don't know format for
Ben Q DC E520
Minox DC 8111 (saved as AVI)
Sanyo Xacti VPC-J4 EX
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Old Sep 15, 2004, 3:38 PM   #34
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Thank you very much for that comprehensive list. Much more buying criteria now

And, what do you think about the matter? Do you think it's important? Does bitrate (and so storage capacity) vary much? Can a low speed card interface be saturated depending on the bitrate (format)? I think mpeg4 is the best option, but I'm glad to listen any other's opinion...

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Old Sep 15, 2004, 6:53 PM   #35
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I'm afraid that this is format issue is a little out of my area of expertise. I do know that there is a difference in how much storage space each format takes and how much processing power each one requires. Some formats are much more universal from computer to computer. Also movie editing software varies alot in what formats they can handle. If you find a good thread on this, please let me know.

I currently have a camera that does MOV format and my iMovie and QuicktimeTime Player software both handle it well. I do know that some users of my camera convert their MOV clips to AVI so as to minimize the storage space required. Yet at the same time I know that the Canon S1 IS which is an AVI format uses MUCH more space (but is nearly camcorder quality). So my QUESS is that this format issue can not be looked at statically (just like you can't say that all 4 MP cameras will give better pictures than all 3 MP cameras). But since I don't know anything really about this, it could also be that they are adding some compression to the files at the same time as they are converting them.

Oh, I also found a mistake on the Sony T1 format and have corrected that. These movie format came from whatever site I happened to find that info on that camera while doing my spreadsheet (i.e. a wide variety of possible sources). There has been NO effort on my part to verify that it is correct. The basic info (like if it IS a 30fps 640x480 camera), I try to verify via several different sites.
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Old Sep 16, 2004, 11:22 AM   #36
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hi
I guess i am in the same boat as you guys. I love this thread well done beverly! I have been following it for a few weeks now. The problem is i really need to buy a camera in the next 4 - 5 weeks ( my first digital cam I borrowed loads from friends and family) I would like to hear from people who have perhaps bought some of the models and give us their opinions.
One camera i was really disaoppointed with is the new canon s70 I wish that one did have the 640 480 @30fps movie mode because
1. Its smallish
2. 7 megapixel (remember 35mm is nearer to 8 megapixel)
3. 28 - 100mm lens (good range both ends)
4. apparently it produces excellant results
5. uses compact flash cards they are by far the cheapest and fastest 1 gb for £99 sandisk ultra
I am seriously looking at the Sony P150 if anyone actually buys this one or gets to try it out i would be interested i know the review is up and is a good one but i still like to hear from owners

i did buy the nikon 5200 as a wedding present so got to try it out i know the review was good but i did not like movie mode on it and pics looked kind of soft I know you can fix these but can you imagine doing that to 350 photos ( took that many at the wedding)
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Old Sep 17, 2004, 12:12 PM   #37
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I love this thread. I am one who want to upgrade my KM 414 primarily on getting VGA movies. I realize not as good as video camera but I have my camera with me MUCH more often then my camcorder (due to size).

Looking at the Sony P93. Confused about the MPEG VX. Does anyone know how easy it is to burn these VX files to VCD or DVD for playing on home DVD player :?:

MPEG 4 seems like a good option but unless your DVD player supports DIVX your are probably talking 3-8 hrs of encoding time to convert DIVX to DVD for every movie you convert.

The Cannon S1 looks good. But, AVI files chew up a lot of space.

Appreciate VX answers from any who own Sony..TIA
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Old Sep 20, 2004, 12:40 AM   #38
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Just added Olympus C-7000 which is 30 fps in some areas and 25 fps in others (25 fps for PAL). This is a 7.1MP camera with a 38-190 mm lens. Per the Olympus announcement the time limit is to the capacity of the xD card (reported wrong on dpreview as only a few seconds).
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Just added Nikon 8800 (8 MP, 35-350mm, Image stabilizer, VGA limited to 60 seconds) and Nikon 8400 (8 MP, 24-85mm). I also corrected the Nikon 8700 to have a limit of 35 seconds on the VGA movie mode.
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