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Old Nov 20, 2004, 12:24 PM   #1
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After a lot of research I have narrowed it down to these two cameras, the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ20and the Olympus C-8080 Wide Zoom. I have read the reviews for both, and just wonder what the general (or specific!) opinions are here regarding each one, and/or if anyone has had first hand experience with either. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Old Nov 20, 2004, 1:31 PM   #2
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iv been looking at the C8080 also

i ofund these pics on the net, it sems to be very good!

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aime.cabrol/Macro/index.html

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aime.cabrol/divers/index.html

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aime.cabrol/...sco/index.html

i think the person using it tho had another lens

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aime.cabrol/8080/mon8080.html

still shows what it can do!
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Old Nov 20, 2004, 1:38 PM   #3
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Wow, those are nice, thank-you for taking the time to post them! I will show them to my boyfriend, this is really going to be 'his' camera, so I want to make sure we decide on the perfect one!
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Old Nov 20, 2004, 3:59 PM   #4
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Olympus costs almost 50% more than the Panasonic. I'm not really sure that these are in the same category. In any case, you should also compare other high-end prosumer cameras like the Canon Powershot Pro1 (this has some major flaws though), Sony F828, and maybe even the Canon G6 and Sony DSC-V3. Here is a side-by-side comparison of these:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...cf828&show=all

Anyway, if you just look at the FZ20 vs Olympus 8080, then the key differences are:

* Olympus is 2/3" sensor (very large for non-DSLRs cameras) vs 1/2.5" for the FZ20 (small and noisy)
* Olympus is 8 megapixels while FZ20 is 5MP
* Panasonic has 12x image-stabilized zoom vs 5x for Olympus (no IS too)
* Olympus has lower aperture at F2.4 vs F2.8 for the FZ20 (the lower one is more advanced BUT the Panasonic can keep its aperture at F2.8 throughout its full zoom, which is amazing!)
* Olympus has max shutter of 1/4000 secconds vs 1/2000 for FZ20
* FZ20 can take up to 2fps or 3fps, while the Olympus 8080 is only 1.6 frames per second
* Panasonic has 2" LCD screen while Olympus is only 1.8" (but the Olypus is flip-up)

As much as I think the FZ20 is one of the best cameras of the year, the Olympus 8080 is better simply because it is a more higher-end camera. It might not have 12x zoom or image stabilization (IS is not needed for low zoom anyway), but it is 8 megapixels on a 2/3" sensor!!!

I think the 8080 is more comparable to the Sony F828 and the Canon Powershot Pro1. The Pro1, F828, and 8080 are all 8 megapixels, 2/3" sensor, and cost around US$700 to $900.

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Thank-you for all of the information, you make some great points! We will take it all into consideration!
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Old Nov 20, 2004, 4:40 PM   #6
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would you say the c8080 is better than the G6, while i was 99% sure i was getting the G6 i am now swaying more towards the c8080 myself..

the Sony DSC-V3 looks nice also lol, its making my head hurt again :?
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Old Nov 20, 2004, 6:14 PM   #7
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would you say the c8080 is better than the G6, while i was 99% sure i was getting the G6 i am now swaying more towards the c8080 myself..
The Olympus 8080 is a high-end prosumer camera and I would argue that it is better. Do keep in mind that these high-end prosumers are in a different category. For example, you are basically comparing something that costs 50% more and has 8 megapixels on a 2/3" sensor.

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the Sony DSC-V3 looks nice also lol, its making my head hurt again :?
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The Sony V3 is a direct competitor to the Canon G6. Their specs are almost identical...Here is a review of the Sony V3, with a lot of comparison to the G6:

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/so...ew/index.shtml

Here is a G6 vs V3 shootout, courtesty of dcresource.com:

http://www.dcresource.com/specials/G6_vs_V3/index.shtml

Needless to say, some think the V3 is better while others like the G6... I haven't used any of them but... you can't go wrong with either IMO (they are both very good)...


If money is not a concern, then the high-end prosumer cameras (eg. Olympus 8080) are generally better than the slightly cheaper ones (eg. Canon G6). BUT in my OPINION cameras like the Canon G6/Sony V3/Panasonic DMC-FZ20 (ultra zoom)/etc offer the BEST BANG for the buck! The high-end prosumers seem "too expensive" for what they offer.

In addition, if you are going into the high-end prosumer category, you need to start looking to see if the low-end digital SLRs are better for you. The low-end DSLRs cost more overall (when you try to replicate the same stuff as the high-end prosumer by buying all the lenses and stuff) and are also bigger/less convenient, but they are far better in terms of image quality. For example, the Canon Digital Rebel (body+basic lens) can be had for about roughly the same price as the high-end prosumers like the Olympus 8080/Canon Pro1/etc. Going with a DSLR is a totally different game but they do offer very good picture quality with extremely low noise and greater control...

Overall I think the G6/V3/FZ20/etc are the ideal cameras... I personally don't like the high-end prosumer cameras like the 8080/Pro1/etc. If *I* were spending that much money, I would rather go for a low-end DSLR like the Canon EOS Digital Rebel...

I have a feeling I just confused you even more :?
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Old Nov 20, 2004, 6:36 PM   #8
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Olympus costs almost 50% more than the Panasonic.
The Oly 8080 is now around $650 at many sites. Hence it is not 50% more money than either the Panasonic or the Canon G6.
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I was able to find the Olympus for $499, so at that price I am assuming it would be the best choice, placing it cheaper then the Canon G6/Sony V3/Panasonic DMC-FZ20.

http://royalcamera.com/olc88meg.html
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I was able to find the Olympus for $499, so at that price I am assuming it would be the best choice, placing it cheaper then the Canon G6/Sony V3/Panasonic DMC-FZ20.

http://royalcamera.com/olc88meg.html
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[/quote]I would also recommend avoiding vendors with only a small number of customer reviews at resellerratings.com, because vendors have been known to pad their own ratings by posting "glowing reviews". A well established vendor will usuallyhave hundreds, if not thousands of good customer reviews.

The usual way the bad dealers work, is to advertise something at a lower price than everyone else. Then, they call you to "confirm" your order.

Then, the sales pitch begins (you'll need a better battery, larger memory card, lens accessories, extended warranty, etc.). Of course, many consumers fall for it, since they only check the price of the camera -- not the accessories.

These items are usually sold at outrageous prices, but appear to be heavily discounted (unrealistic prices are shown for the "list prices" of the accessories.).

Usually, this happens:

* They ship you a gray market camera (one not intended for sale in the U.S.). BTW, you won't get warranty service if it is gray market.

and/or

* They are not really going to sell you the camera at the advertised price, unless you agree to buy lots of overpriced extras (poor quality memory cards, case, poor quality lens accessories, generic batteries that they claim are better, extended warranty, etc.).

Of course, by the time you buy the overpriced, poor quality add-on's, you could have gotten a better deal somewhere else -- from a reputable dealer. Another trick these guys play, is to claim the price is for the camera only (again, forcing you to buy the items that are included with the camera anyway, at drastically inflated prices). Otherwise (if you tell them you don't want the add-ons), most of the "scam artists" will refuse to sell it to you for the quoted price.

Or, your camera will suddenly go to backorder status, or even more common, they simply never ship it to you -- leading you along when you try to find out order status, until you finally cancel the order.

Sometimes,they'll ship a partial order (with high unauthorized shippingand insurance tacked on). Then, when you return it, and dispute it with your credit card company, they end up keeping the high shipping charges they added (because credit card companies will often not refund the shipping charges). Of course, they'll try to keep the restocking fees on the partial order shipped, too (since these are clearly stated on their web site).

You may also see a combination of the above techniques (gray market camera + trying to scam you with the extras).

These types of techniques are VERY Common.

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Use the customer feedback in the price search engines to "spot" these dealers, and also use http://www.resellerratings.com

Here's an article you may want to read, too:

http://webpages.charter.net/bbiggers...ml/buying.html


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