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Old Jun 6, 2005, 12:16 AM   #1
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Okay guys, I'm looking to purchase my first D SLR and this is a HUGE step for me since we have to save a LONG time for such a huge purchse. Anyway, I'm looking at these two deals:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT

http://www.ritzcamera.com/webapp/wcs...uctId=13132052

The Ritz camera deal would mean I'd have to add the flash which is the Quantaray QDC-800 and a high speed memory card (want 1G at least). That would bring the Ritz total to $1519.89. But it has Sigma lenses . Their offer also includes a free Epson photo printer and free classes at the local Wolf camera store.

Are the Nikon lenses better than the Sigma. I surely don't need all those little "extras" they have included, but it seems like a good price, otherwise.

Also, I'm leaning toward the extended warranty from Ritz because it will cover ANYTHING that happens to the camera, even if it is my fault - and cleanings. Having dropped a camera in the past, makes this a sweet deal. But my DH is against it, so opinions please....



Thanks soooo much, Cindy
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Old Jun 6, 2005, 12:42 AM   #2
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Hi Cindy.

welcome to the forumns.. i think that i have a better option here for you.. first off, in general i prefer to stay away from the ebay merchants, some are good, but there are plenty that are not.. and many of the accessories they put together in their packages are not of the highest quality.. second, for the ritz package, while it appears to be a good bargain since you are getting two lenses, the quality of those two particular lenses is not great, and not equal to the kit lens.. and the quality of your pictures is only as good as the quality of your lens..

so i propose to you this.. get the nikon with the kit lens.. this lens is very sharp and covers a useful focal range (or zoom range).. it also focuses faster and quieter than the two mentioned sigmas.. this lens will be a good start for you as you learn to use your camera and you will not be disappointed in the quality.. after using your camera for a few months you will have a better idea of what you need in a lens.. and when you do find out what you need in a second lens, you will have hopefully saved enough money to purchase one of a higher quality.. while it may seem to be more expensive and requires you to wait for your 2nd lens it will save you much grief and money in the future..

here is a link to the camera with kit lens with a nice fastcompactflash memory card added.. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...295&is=REG

as for flash.. i would recommend again not skimping on the quality.. if you are looking for quality flash for not alot of money, you can't go wrong with either the sigma 500 dg super or the sigma 500 dg st.. both are considerably better than the aforementioned quantaray.. a compact option would be the sunpak pz40x.. very small yet capable unit..

super - http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...097&is=REG

st- http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...111&is=REG

sunpak - http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...871&is=REG

on to printers.. you are better off with a inkjet than the small picturemate as it will offer you the ability to make enlargements.. they are also cheaper to operate and will produce a superior image.. a couple of options here would be good values..

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...801&is=REG

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...12&is=REGi

i have used bhphotovideo for all my camera shopping for many years and have never been disappointed, however, it is not the only option.. just the one that i trust..

i hope i haven't overwhelmed you.. and bear in mind that you do not have to purchase this all at one time.. but just when you do buy something, always buy good quality or wait until you can afford to buy the quality items.. let me know if you have further questions..

best regards, dustin
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Old Jun 6, 2005, 1:32 AM   #3
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I have purchased from this particular ebay seller before. Can you tell if the lenses he offers are different from the one you recommend? I looked at the site you gave me, THANKS SO MUCH!!! I really want a 70-300 lens, is there a particular one I should save for? I want to do portraits of my kids/neices/nephews, etc and take closeups at sporting events.

Also, what's your opinion of the d70 vs d70s?



Thanks for all the time you put into answering. As for the printer, I didn't want it anyway. I don't want to have to purchase refill cartridges all the time, and my kids would be printing every photo in site!!!
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in all honesty, i am a little worried about the contents of his "kit".. the pictures do not match their descriptions.. not even close, so i am not sure if you get whats pictured or what is described.. and some products arelackinga brand name on them at all..which would make me more than hesitant.. the 28-80 lens mentioned in most of the kits is not as good of lens as the standard nikon issued kit lens, not is it really wide enough when you factor in the 1.5x factor.. the 70-300 that is mentioned has a better version of it that i would recommend over it, i'll get to that later.. i tried to find the camera body only from this seller on ebay if you wanted to stick with this seller, but it looks like kits are the only thing offered.. but really i would not go this seller's kit route.. you can do better by choosing your own components..

my opinion of the d70/d70s is that given the same price, i would get the d70s for its slightly larger lcd screen.. but if you can get a d70 cheaper than the d70s, then go for the d70 as the differences are very slight.. plus nikon offers a free firmware upgrade that narrows this margin further by increasing the effectiveness of the d70 autofocus to equal the d70s..

as for what telephoto lens you should be saving for really depends.. i will give you a couple different options..

Option 1)if your sports are outside mostly with plenty of sunlight.. then this lens could be a great value for you (the APO after the name is very important and why it is better than the one you had mentioned).... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...660&is=REG

Option 2)f your sporting events are inside a gym.. you are going to need to spend some more $$ and get a faster lens (for example a f2.8 lens is faster than f5.6).. and generally a faster lens will also yield sharper pics.. but it comes at a price in terms of dollars spent as well as size.. it will be considerably larger and heavier.. but this lens here is the best value in fast telephotos imo... still not cheap, but really worth every penny, as it is sharper than nikon's version while being cheaper.. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...938&is=USA

given you choose the first telezoom (option 1), with the kit i gave you the link to previously, you are still only spending 1200USD and getting 2 much better lenses than the ebaykit as well as a nice compactflash mem card that is much faster and moredependablethan the microdrive mentioned in the ebay kit..

but if you need the faster lens (option 2), you may have to save up for it, as it is not cheap.. but will be worth it in the long run..

hope that helps clear things up further.. let me know if there is anything else i can answer..

best of luck to you, dustin
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Thanks again for all the info. I did notice a lack of brand names on his lenses, but being a novice, was really unsure what that might mean.

I'd LOVE to get the second option lens, but I'll tell you right now that will never happen, just too expensive and can't justify it on our current budget. I'm pulling teeth to get this camera at all!!!

Unfortunately, most of my sports are indoors (my girls all play volleyball), so is the cheaper lens okay and might get some good pics, or should I just forget getting good vball pics.


What about the kit lens, will it shoot indoors? Or, could I get the 50mmf/1.8 lens for indoors (it is around $100). Tell me this, having a regular point and shoot digital camera, I'm familiar with the optical zoom numbers. What is the 50mm equivilant to the optical zoom. Also, I read that on the d70 it would act like 75mm, so that's better, right?


How do I go about getting the firmware upgrade?

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while the second option is preferred for indoor work.. you can easily get some good pictures indoors with the othertelephoto as well.. what you will need to do is just increase the ISO of the camera.. try ISO 800 first, and if that doesn't work, then use 1600.. the manual will explain how to do this. the kit lens will shoot indoors using the same method, but more than likely will be too small on zoom range for good sports pictures, but if you just want some shots of the whole court, it will work fine.

the 50mm is a good indoor lens, but it is only equivilent to a 1.5x magnification, so that will limit its effectiveness for indoor sports as you won't be "zoom" in close enough to get a nice picture.. because the kit lens covers this focal length, i doubt this lens would be necessary at this time..

my advice is just to what i mentioned here first.. use the cheaper of the two telezoom options and then just boost up your ISO, should be able to get some nice pictures using that method.. and with the 1.5 factor of a dslr, your 70-300 APO would be a 105-450, which will give you plenty of reach to get some nice close in sports shots..

the firmware update can be found here.. version 2 http://support.nikontech.com/cgi-bin...wers.search_nl

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thanks! you are the greatest!!!! Cindy
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