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Old Jun 14, 2005, 8:07 AM   #1
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Hello ALL!

I have been searching for weeks now on which camera to get and I have narrowed it down to the 3 below:

Canon PowerShot A95

Fuji FinePix S5100

Kodak EasyShare DX7590

I originally had an olympus c-50 and didn't have a problem with it other than the red eye didn't work and the next shot delay was LONG. I know there is a big difference in the Canon on the other two, but I thought I was sure I wanted an external flash with 10x zoom. When I went to the stores to actually handle the cameras of course in my local town the ONLY one any place had for me to hold was the Canon and it seemed to do fairly well, but since I have never used or even held the other two I am in limbo. I have a two year old and a new born due any day and want a GOOD camera without the long next shot delay. SO what do you guys who know all about these cameras recommend?

Thanks in advance for all the great help!

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Old Jun 14, 2005, 11:11 AM   #2
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You seem to be primarily interested in red eye and cycle times.

The A95 has the second fastest cycle times without flash but produces red eye. DCRP is the only site that does a red eye shot for all their tests: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ca...ot_a95-review/

The DX7590 produces no red eye but the cycle times are similar to the C50 for two shots and is then terrible after the two shots: Not a good choice for cycle times: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/kodak/dx7590-review/

The Fuji has the fastest cycle times and no red eye. Probably your best bet if shutter lag isn't a problem for you: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/fu..._s5100-review/

I've had my C50 about 3 years now and found shutter lag a big problem shooting toddlers. It is a nice little camera, but it is missing a feature I never knew to look for. My other two digital cameras aren't that much faster than the C50, but they both have a continuous focus mode. With that you can hold the shutter halfway in pre-focus and if the target moves it will update the focus. So when you want the shot it is almost instant. Half of the toddler pictures of my granddaughter are blurred from the C50 because she was in perpetual motion and the one second shutter delay put her somewhere other than where the camera was focused. With my cameras with continuous focus every shot of her is sharp except for the occasional motion blur.

The A95 is poor for shutter lag. The shutter is about as slow as the C50 and it has no continuous focus mode. It is a nice camera but not for toddlers if shutter lag is a problem for you.

The Kodak is odd in that your shutter lag is faster with the continuous focus turned on even if you don't pre-focus. Most cameras are actually a tad slower or the same if you go through the full autofocus with the continuous focus turned on. The Kodak is about as slow as the C50 without continuous focus at full zoom. With continuous focus turned on it has about half of the shutter lag of the C50 – still not blazing fast but not bad. But if you engage the continuous focus and pre-focus the delay is under 1/10 second.

The Fuji also has a continuous focus mode and extremely fast pre-focus shutter lag. Full shutter lag is a little longer with continuous focus engaged, but you don't use it that way. With continuous focus you can always pre-focus – even on a perpetual motion toddler. I guess you are aware you are losing a Mp with the Fuji compared to your C50. If you never printed a shot larger than 8 X 10 from the Oly it probably won't make any difference. You can also use your xD memory card in the Fuji where you will have to buy new memory with the others.

The full autofocus shutter delay on the C50 is about one second for comparison, and the cycle time 2.9 seconds without flash. These are the speeds of the cameras you are interested in:
A95: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/A95/A95DATA.HTM
DX 7590: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PROD...0/DX75DATA.HTM
S5100: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/S5100/S51DATA.HTM

None of these cameras have a shutter speed advantage over your C50 if you just press the shutter when you want the shot and don't pre-focus. The Kodak is faster at wide angle but as slow as the C50 zoomed. You can engage the continuous focus and the zoom time on the Kodak improves a little. What you really want to do is engage the continuous focus and use the pre-focus on the Fuji or Kodak. Cycle times are poor on the Kodak, so I think that leaves the Fuji as being the only one with no red eye, decent cycle times and continuous focus to get around shutter lag.

If you don't think you want to mess with pre-focus none of these cameras are going to be much better than your C50 for shutter lag. Imaging resource has a speed page like those linked for every review. Find something in your price range with a full autofocus shutter lag of 0.4 seconds or less if you just want to push the button when you take the picture. You would also want a cycle time under 2 seconds. And you might look at DCRP for the red eye test.

Steve's reviews give cycle times with flash, but you have to dig them out of the conclusions pages. Some cameras really drag out the cycle time with flash, so you should probably read through Steve's conclusions for any camera you are interested in. For example, the Fuji can take as long as 8 seconds for cycle time if you take a flash shot at maximum flash range. You usually shoot closer than that and the flash cycle times are reasonable.


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Old Jun 14, 2005, 11:25 AM   #3
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ej,

In your original post, back on 5/31, you complained about your C50 being too slow... "delay time was forever", and you stated you wanted a 'fast ' camera. Now you're considering a camera with a cycle time over 50% greater than your C50 (???).

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PROD...0/DX75DATA.HTM

If speed is important to you, only consider cameras that meet your criteria.

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Old Jun 14, 2005, 11:29 AM   #4
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whoa, slipe...

Didn't see your reply...not bad!

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Old Jun 14, 2005, 12:06 PM   #5
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WOW Slipe thanks for all the WONDERFUL info and websites.I am going to check them out now. Hun I am going to be honest. I honestly have NO clue what I want I just want a GOOD camera that is pretty quick and good on red eye to take pictures of my kids. I had the C50 and still would if it hadn't beenstolen. So now I am faced with having to get a new camera and I am ready to POP out a baby ANYDAY which is making me a nervous wreck because I don't have a camera to take to the hospital and I can't decide what to get. Of course I go to the local stores we have which are ONLY Target, Walmart, Sears, and Staples and my selection is NOT very good at any if they do have something it seems the batteries are dead. I have looked at Consumers Report and it really didn't help much. My main purpose it I LOVE to take pictures of my kids and scrapbook them. SO I normally order my prints from York Photo online and have never ordered larger than an 8x10. I am open to ANY AT ALL advice on a camera. I just need to get one ordered to take to the hospital and take all the wonderful pictures of my 2 year old and her new little sibling.

Thanks SO MUCH!

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Old Jun 14, 2005, 12:27 PM   #6
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The camera I would recommend is the Sony P200. The best price from a trusted store I could find online was about $10 less than the Kodak you are considering, so it seems in your price range.

It is the only small camera that doesn't produce much red eye because they managed to move the flash away from the lens a little.

Shutter lag and cycle times are excellent: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/P200/P200DATA.HTM

It has a great movie mode and takes excellent images. It is small enough to carry around easily and has a hard protective cover over the LCD. It has a continuous focus mode so you can get nearly zero shutter lag with pre focus. Flash range isn't great but it is about the same as you C50 was.

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