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Old Jul 11, 2005, 1:44 PM   #31
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Now if I could just find an external battery charger in a local store!
Glad you found yourself a good deal on the memory card. You'll get about 14 mins of good quality video off of one that size.
Good luck at finding a charger locally. At least their readily available online
If you find a card reader that's compatible with the 1G, could you let us know on the Fuji board, so far the only ones I've been able to find have been for up to 512, and that doesn't help much.
Thanks a bunch!
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Old Jul 21, 2005, 6:14 PM   #32
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Just wanted to chime in and say what a great thread this was! Extremely informative, especially from JimC!!

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Old Jul 21, 2005, 7:40 PM   #33
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Here is a Fuji F-10 sample photo taken at ISO 1600 handheld without flash using just the existing light. You be the judge.

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Old Jul 22, 2005, 8:20 AM   #34
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I was able to see ISO 282 for the Sony shot. (along with 1/30s on f/2). 1/30s can be hand-held.

1/8s for the Casio shot is almost impossible (for me) to get with no blur. I managed like 10-20 times through my whole life to get <1/10 sharp and always by luck.

As for the monopod, tripod... I have been in Disnayland and it isn't easy. Yes. But always remember: every kind of stabilisation is better than none.

- try to control breathing like you would when shooting with a gun

- if you have an optical viewfinder (or EVF) - use this instead of the LCD and use your hands/fingers to "lean" the camera onto your head. Put the cam onto your knees as a monopod replacement.

- use continuous shooting. When I want to get a sharp picture on long range / low light with my Oly C770 (and I have somewhat like f/5.6 on tele-end ) I switch to continuous shooting without re-focus and fire away 3-5 times. (including the other tips I gave). In most cases at least one of the pics is sharp or not too blurry. DONT use AF when doing this - most digicams hunt long time in dark rooms and then the opportunity is gone.

- try the flash. Yeah... I know what you want to say. Try it. In some cases the little bit of extra light helps to get a faster shot which is a bit too dark but can be post-processed with image processing software

- ISO 400 isn't that bad for 9x13cm prints I found. A denoise program can be helpful here but if you don't go for "perfect", just for "good" you can print right away

- if shooting in high ISO don't use too much compression in images. I found that the less compressed and even the interpolated pictures were much better from a no-noise/less-noise point of view than the high compressed. Maybe noise and image sharpening interfere here too much.

Ofc a fast lense is always nice. But even a OIS can't handle motion blur - just keep that in mind when going for "super-sharp" pictures.

just my 2 cents - and hope it helps

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P.S. good informative thread... now givf a Fuji F11 or something with lenses f/2 up from 28mm equivalent, 4-5x Zoom, fast shutter speed, continuous focussing at half pressed shutter or AF lock (choose by menu) full manual control, optical viewfinder, fast response (picture save time), fast continuous shooting >2 pics/second and no blank EVF/LCD during that so I can follow the moving object. AF light or better a passive AF sensor and 500+ pictures per rechargable. Docking station with USB2 and recharger like for the F700. Not to forget with OIS. And for less than $400 with a fast 512MB XD card included as well as a second rechargeable. I guess I'd have a look at this cam - what about you? :-)
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Old Jul 22, 2005, 11:52 AM   #35
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If you can make that a 12-15x zoom, with ISO 3200 capability with very little noise, order me ten of them, please.

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Old Nov 27, 2005, 4:18 AM   #36
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For what it's worth, the F10 passed the "Disneyland Test" and I now have an external charger and USB reader (that actually reads 1GB xD, the others I tried did not). We're heading back to Disneyland in December.* Sadly, I've never gotten around to posting the 6000+ pics I took in July over DL's 50th anniversary (too many to sort) but I will have some samples eventually.
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BUT ... after taking this camera with me to Disneyland, it was AWFUL indoors. It made.....
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....I loved everything about the Casio until it went with me to Disneyland and I found how poorly it did indoors.
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It looked bright and crisp, so... I sold my Casio and took the W1 to Disneyland.
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I picked up an F10, and headed out to Iowa's Adventureland amusment park tonight at dusk (after 8:30pm).
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I leave for my Disneyland trip this Thursday morning.
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For what it's worth, the F10 passed the "Disneyland Test"
What?
A Disneyland compatible camera, finally?
Congrats!!
I was about to recommend a different park LOL :G

great info on this thread!
* JIM thanks for the detailed posts!!
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Not only that, but also Mac compatible :-) (Which is more than I can say for this WYSIWYG editor in this message board; trying to reply in it on Safari is nearly impossible...)
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Thank you JimC foryour most educational posts, I just knew their was a reason why I still love my Sony DSC-F707, f/2-f2.4 38-190mm Carl Zeiss lens, but untill I have just read now your posts on this thread did not realise the power of f/2 at wideangle for low light photography, a quick test and I am wrapped in the result, no way will I ever get rid of this great cam.

So impressed with my results Iwill now search ebay for a good used DSC-F717 in case my cam ever has any trouble in the future.

I bet a lot of people are regretting the day the got rid of their Sony 7x7s after reading this thread, It is now nearly impossible to find a newdigicam with f2 fast lens, newer ain't always better as you well explain in this thread.

Thanks again for a well written explanation of low light photography.

Just one of my favorite Sony DSC-F707 long exosure shots.








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Thank you JimC foryour most educational posts, I just knew their was a reason why I still love my Sony DSC-F707, f/2-f2.4 38-190mm Carl Zeiss lens, but untill I have just read now your posts on this thread did not realise the power of f/2 at wideangle for low light photography, a quick test and I am wrapped in the result, no way will I ever get rid of this great cam.
These are great cameras. The DSC-f707/f717 are capable of producing some of the sharpest photos you can get in a non-DSLR camera (or any camera for that matter).

The lens was well matched to it's Sony 5MP 2/3" CCD.

Now, when you need to take photos in *really* low light, think about something like a KM 5D or 7D with a bright prime on it. LOL

This is recent photo I took while in a local restaurant. Light is MUCH lower than it appears in the photo (basically, a few candles around the bar).

Hand Held, 1/5 second, ISO 3200 at f/2.5 with a Konica Minolta Maxxum 5D using a Minolta 28mm f/2 lens. No post processing, shot in JPEG (not RAW), rotated and downsized for web viewing with Irfanview. Yea, the photo itself stinks (nothing special about it, and it's a pretty bad photo for content/composition). I'm just showing off the camera. LOL

IMO,I could not have taken this photowith any other digital camera.


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