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Old Oct 6, 2005, 11:26 PM   #1
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I'm a serious amateur photographer, with thoughts of turning semi professional. I'm currently working on a coffee table photography book project. My 35mm Canon Elan IIe recently broke. I'm viewing this breakage as an opportunity to step into the digital realm, but cost is certainly a big consideration, and dSLR's aren't exactly cheap. The Rebel XT is always being described as a camera for all levels of photographers, and the 20D seems to be the XT's big brother, with a few more bells and whistles. Both camera's seem to offer compatable image quality. The 20Dhas a more professional look than does the Rebel XT, but the Rebel XT seems to be easier to set up and operate. For just getting started in the digital arena, doing professional level work, but not yet a professional, do you think the Rebel XT is a digital camera that would give the professional results which I'm looking for andwould be happy with? Or should I suck up the $600 price difference and go with the 20D? Is the final product, obtained using the 20D, really worth the extra $600? If a hi res photo taken with the Rebel XT, and a hi res photo taken with the 20D, where placed side by side, would the quality ofthe 20D image be superior to the quality of the Rebel XT image?

Any insight would be very helpful and appreciated. Thanks.
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Old Oct 6, 2005, 11:46 PM   #2
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The image quality ofthese two camerastaken under ideal lighting conditions and using simialr lens is so close that very few peoplecould tell the difference. I recently took a class where the least expensive camera allowed was the 20D. About 1/2 of the class had 20Ds the rest had 1Ds and 1Ds mkIIs. Guess what? At the end of the class, the 20Ds garnered 3 of the first 5 place finishes for image quality. The photoswere judged by the instructors who didn't know who took them or the cameras used. So to make a long story short. If you aren't planning on shooting a lot of fast moving objects (sporting events) get the 20D. Otherwise, get the Rebel Xt and spend the $600 savings on some good glass. If you decide to go with the kit lens, you could also buy the Canon 70 - 200 F4L. Another option is to go with the 17 - 85 kit lens. It's very nice. If I wasn't shooting event photography, and I had a choice between the 20d and the Rebel Xt, I choose the Xt and put the savings towards some L glass or Sigma EX glass.

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Old Oct 7, 2005, 12:57 AM   #3
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i agree... i love my 20d, but the XT wasn't available when i got it.. i think i would be nearly if not just as happy with a black XT..

i think he meant to say.. if you do shoot sporting events get the 20d.. due to its better tracking AF and faster FPS.. image wise, the lense you put on the camera will make more of a difference than the differences between the 2 cameras..

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Yes, I meant to say do.

If you're not in a hurry, there might be a drop in prices if there are newer models coming soon.
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As stated, there are limited situations when the 20D would be a better choice. That being said, I have both of these camera's and I don't feel limited by the XT at all. In fact I prefer the XT most of the time. With the vertical grip attached, which it always is, it's a killer package. I use the EF-S 17-85 on bothcamera's almost always and find it to be an ideal combination for the kind of photography I do. The 20D wouldprobably hold up better under heavy use if that's a consideration.

I think you'd be just fine with the XT for just about everything. It's a great little camera. The XT's mage quality is on par with the 20D.

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Thanks for the info on the Rebel XT, guys. Based on everyone's feedback, I'm going with the Rebel XT. Having decided on the Rebel XT, I have a follow up question, which may not belong in this catagory, but since you guys have the Rebel XT, I figure I'll risk it. I thought the Rebel XT comes with a battery, battery charger, USB wires, and camera strap. I checked with two on line camera dealers and was told that the only accessory is a lens cap. Was this true with your Rebel XT purchase, and all the other needed accessories had to be purchased individually? Again, thanks for all the feedback.

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I thought the Rebel XT comes with a battery, battery charger, USB wires, and camera strap. I checked with two on line camera dealers and was told that the only accessory is a lens cap. Was this true with your Rebel XT purchase, and all the other needed accessories had to be purchased individually? Again, thanks for all the feedback.

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Errr hmmm.

Did these two online dealers happen to have the cheaper prices in the price search engines?

You can't actually buy the cameras for what they advertise them for, without a catch (or more than one catch). This is just a common variation of the same old scams (claiming the price doesn't include the stuff normally in the box)

If you see a camera at a much lower price compared to other vendors, Caveat Emptor!

Most of the bait and switch type dealers are located in Brooklyn (they seem to be able to get away with it there), and won't sell you a camera for the advertised price unless you agree to buy lots of addons at drastically inflated prices (memory cards, extended warranties, batteries, etc.).

They typically call you to "confirm" your order, and then the sales pitch begins. If you refuse to buy the overpriced addons, then they'll probably refuse to ship it to you (or they'll ship you a partial order with high unauthorized shipping and insurance tacked on, and when you try to return it and dispute it with your credit card company, they'll try to keep the shipping and insurance, as well as a restocking fee, since the restocking fees are displayed in the policies on their web site).

Make sure tocheck customer reviews of vendors you consider using using http://www.resellerratings.com

In addition, I would also recommend avoiding vendors with a small number of customer reviews (vendors have been known to try and pad their own ratings with glowing reviews, and some dealers operate under more than one name -- starting new ones when their reputation gets too bad).

Here is an article Bryan Biggers wrote that I'd strongly suggest you read:

How to buy a Digital Camera without being robbed

The tactics he mentions in his article are VERY COMMON, and these vendors usually have very nice looking web sites, with lots of important looking logos.

If you want a reputable vendor that's not going to try to rip you off, try B&H. You can see what the camera normally includes here (click on the "Item Includes" tab when you're on a product page):

Canon Digital Rebel XT - Black at B&H

You'll also see some package deals from them that include things like lenses and memory cards). Just do a search for Canon Rebel XT and you'll see a variety of them listed.

These package deals are actually good ones, based on name brandmemory cards and accessories (versus the no-name junk being sold by some vendors, justto increase their profit margins by selling "package" deals).

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