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Old Jul 10, 2006, 3:33 PM   #41
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT:

How could all the great photos of the past have been captured w/o the fancy electronics ?

Lightproof box - Lens - Tripod - Film - WORK !

Don't get caught up in all the hype - the only important factor is the quality of the lens ! You can control everything except the optical quality of the glass !

Are modern multi-element zooms much better than earlier versions ? OF COURSE

BUT SO ARE THE 'PRIMES' !!!!!

Ansel Adams would probably have given a few fingers in exchange for 'LD' glass !

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Old Jul 10, 2006, 4:06 PM   #42
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bernabeu-

You raise an excellent point. However, the sales of primes has declined in recent years. Add to that the fact that we are seeing a good deal of so called "low cost zoom lenses." Photography as an art form has a place, but it is probably not within the mainstream of general photography.

I appreciate your photos and their Ansel Adams quality. As I mentioned earlier, I believe that there is a sense of elegance in them. Keep up the excellent work.

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Old Jul 10, 2006, 5:22 PM   #43
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mtclimber,

My point is that if you wish to take snapshots and/or general recording photos then a 10x zoom on a P&S camera is ideal. The sensor is good enough for a 10x zoom.

However, if you select a dSLR with it's large(r) sensorfor image quality and/or low light work why compromise the choice with inferior glass?

No, repeat no, P&S comes close to a dSLR with a good prime for image quality.

It is possible to make an excellent quality 3x zoom at a reasonable price, it is NOT possible to make a 10x zoom of decent quality with an APS-C image circle for under $10,000.

Perhaps, today, most of the people stepping up to a dSLR are accustomed to second rate image quality and are satisfied with the compromised quality of a 10x zoom for $250-300.

IMO: there was no point (except shutter lag) to 'step up' w/o buying good glass.

There are P&S cameras with good glass (eg. fuji s7000):

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bernabeu-

Thanks for answering. With the S-7000 having no replacement, and that camera now out of production, what P&S camera, now on the market, can qualify for your "good glass" standard? In similiar fashion, what DSLR/lens combination, currently on the market, can qualify for your "good glass" standard?

Canon has "L" category lenses for their DSLR cameras, is that the kind of quality you are talking about? Likewise, Pentax has "limited" edition prime lenses. Do those meet your "good glass" standard?

I sincerely believe that the issue at hand is that posters on the forum are unclearas tothe type of quality you are posting about. Hence, we have seen more than a few posters who have chosen to just grab a "sound bite" or a few words from your postsand running with it.

I believe that once we can quantify the kind of lens/camera standard that is being posted about, then the photography as art discussion can more effectively move forward. 'Just a few thoughts.

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some examples of minolta top quality glass:

50mm f1.7

35-70mm f4 macro

85mm f1.4

HS AF 80-200mm f2.8 APO

300mm f2.8 APO

70-210mm f4

100mm f2.8 macro

reflex AF 500mm f8

28-75mm f2.8

ie. most OEM fixed or 'short zoom' glass will be of top quality

large aperture glass is generally superior to small aperture glass

KM 7D with minolta AF reflex 500mm f8 - hand held:




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Old Jul 10, 2006, 9:58 PM   #46
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KM 7D with 50mm f1.7 - hand held - no flash

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KM 7D - minolta HS AF 80-200mm f2.8 APO:

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KM 7D - 35-70mm f4 macro:

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IMO:

a camera/lens combination must be capable of capturing enough data/details/sharpness to enable a photographic quality print of 11x14" as a MINIMUM, with luck you can get acceptable 20x30"

this can be accomplished in spite of most megapixel limitations by using software to interpolate the file size upwards, BUT, the detail needs to have been captured by a top quality lens

concept is difficult to verbalize but GIGO comes to mind

THE LENS IS EVERYTHING

after the in camera processing of the typical P&S you are left with a 'junky' 5x7

look at the resulting prints under a magnifying glass !


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Printed 20x16 on canvas @ 200 ppi

KM 7D with Minolta HS AF 80-200mm f2.8 APO



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