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Old Aug 22, 2006, 2:41 PM   #31
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It's nice to come back to this thread. :-)

Judging myself lately, I can conclude that I have no choices at all actually; (I am just like a person in a four way crossroad>>>

(Sorry, I have to rule out the Minolta Maxium 7D because of some reasons and the Olympus EVOLT E-500 as well for some personal reasons). Keep in mind that I am no longer bashing the cameras; I am just trying to appreciate them all from now on.

I ruled out the Olympus E-500 and the Minolta 7D not because they are inferior in anyways, but sometimes there is always a personal choice or preference you see thatcan make me change my mind (For no bad or negativereasonsfor the 7D and E-500's part).

I like all those 4 cameras shown below in those links and will gladly have any one of them>>> (I also like the Nikon D50 - not shown).

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Sony...lroundview.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Sony...lroundview.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/Nik...lroundview.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-01.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-02.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-03.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-04.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-05.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-06.jpg

Don't need to open all the D70s' links.

I was lazing around and admiring thedifferent designs.

I carried an R1 in a Sony outlet and it was really heavy and solidly build. The mainLCD was surprisingly sharp and saturated while the 235,200 pixels EVF (Although is a high quality one) is looking more pixelize to my eye than the main LCD.

Themenus are interesting with the live preview and makes me want to explore them.Overall, the camerawas rather complicated to me with all those buttons and dials. I only used the joystick lol! :lol:Theuser interfacelooks feature laden and interesting.

The buildquality and design of the R1 is just high in quality and the top mountedLCD (when faced up) makes the camera look futuristic.

How did an R1 get in this mix?


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It's nice to come back to this thread. :-)

Judging myself lately, I can conclude that I have no choices at all actually; (I am just like a person in a four way crossroad>>>

(Sorry, I have to rule out the Minolta Maxium 7D because of some reasons and the Olympus EVOLT E-500 as well for some personal reasons). Keep in mind that I am no longer bashing the cameras; I am just trying to appreciate them all from now on.

I ruled out the Olympus E-500 and the Minolta 7D not because they are inferior in anyways, but sometimes there is always a personal choice or preference you see thatcan make me change my mind (For no bad or negativereasonsfor the 7D and E-500's part).

I like all those 4 cameras shown below in those links and will gladly have any one of them>>> (I also like the Nikon D50 - not shown).

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Sony...lroundview.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Sony...lroundview.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/Nik...lroundview.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-01.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-02.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-03.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-04.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-05.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/Nikon/d70s-06.jpg

Don't need to open all the D70s' links.

I was lazing around and admiring thedifferent designs.

I carried an R1 in a Sony outlet and it was really heavy and solidly build. The mainLCD was surprisingly sharp and saturated while the 235,200 pixels EVF (Although is a high quality one) is looking more pixelize to my eye than the main LCD.

Themenus are interesting with the live preview and makes me want to explore them.Overall, the camerawas rather complicated to me with all those buttons and dials. I only used the joystick lol! :lol:Theuser interfacelooks feature laden and interesting.

The buildquality and design of the R1 is just high in quality and the top mountedLCD (when faced up) makes the camera look futuristic.

How did an R1 get in this mix?


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Old Aug 22, 2006, 5:15 PM   #33
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Benjamin,

As an example...how in the world could you say the E-500 isnot on par with the Sony A-100? It seems that once upon a time....you were singing the praises of the E-500 feature set....now all of a sudden it'ssuddenly lost it's appeal.

Don't get me wrong...as everyone on here has been telling you..and rightly so, every DSLR you have brought up in your many threads are excellent camera's. My choices were between the D-50 and the E-500. It was a difficult decision....and being an Air Traffic controller...making informed decisions is part of my nature...but as some here haveobserved......you seem to be frozen in a state of "inaction"....you just can't make a decision.

Personally, I don't care which camera you get...but I find itsomewhat entertaining that you seem to enjoy reading more about cameras than actually using them. Come on man....ENGAGE...ENGAGE!! Get in the game!!

I would love to see you actually purchase one of these excellent camera's and start taking pictures!!

Good luck!


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How did an R1 get in this mix?
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Benjamin,

As an example...how in the world could you say the E-500 isnot on par with the Sony A-100? It seems that once upon a time....you were singing the praises of the E-500 feature set....now all of a sudden it'ssuddenly lost it's appeal.

Don't get me wrong...as everyone on here has been telling you..and rightly so, every DSLR you have brought up in your many threads are excellent camera's. My choices were between the D-50 and the E-500. It was a difficult decision....and being an Air Traffic controller...making informed decisions is part of my nature...but as some here haveobserved......you seem to be frozen in a state of "inaction"....you just can't make a decision.

Personally, I don't care which camera you get...but I find itsomewhat entertaining that you seem to enjoy reading more about cameras than actually using them. Come on man....ENGAGE...ENGAGE!! Get in the game!!

I would love to see you actually purchase one of these excellent camera's and start taking pictures!!

Good luck!
For your information, Iwas not knocking the E-500 at all as I've stated. (Read again please).

I just don't find enough justification for it to get my bucks. (It is great without doubt and will always be).

In fact, I agree with you that ALL the mentioned camras were simply great!

I certainly do enjoy reading about the cameras!! :G

I really cannot wait to get hold of one and start shooting away, I guess I need to ENGAGE! :-)










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Benjamin, I can see the allure of the Sony R1 a very nice camera, but... I think the immediacy of a dSLR combined with the optical viewfinder and the flexibility of future lens choices should not be overlooked. If you are sure it offers all that you want in a camera then get it and enjoy it, there are no other lenses its match unless you spend far more money.

In fact lens choice is not an issue here at all, this camera has 98% of all shooting situations covered already, it is the EVF that would be my biggest concern. Even the excellent EVF of the Sony has a slight lag time, it displays what the camera lens saw a fraction of a second ago. This makes following a moving object (even one of modest speed) difficult. I owned a Fuji S7000 which had one of the better EVFs of its era, close to the Sony in speed and resolution, and it was necessary to follow the action with your other eye in order to avoid missing it in the viewfinder. Give it a good trial in the store first, have someone walk across the room while you take pictures of them, check traffic in the street if there is a window available but give it a go before you give them your dough.

Image quality is not an issue with this camera, it would be fantastic for studio portraits or landscapes but it may not be as satisfying for other shooting. I enjoyed my old Fuji and learned to use it effectively but I still don't miss it when I pick up the dSLR and have no trouble catching the decisive moment.

This is just an opinion and a friendly warning to be sure before you buy.

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Benjamin, I can see the allure of the Sony R1 a very nice camera, but... I think the immediacy of a dSLR combined with the optical viewfinder and the flexibility of future lens choices should not be overlooked. If you are sure it offers all that you want in a camera then get it and enjoy it, there are no other lenses its match unless you spend far more money. 

In fact lens choice is not an issue here at all, this camera has 98% of all shooting situations covered already, it is the EVF that would be my biggest concern. Even the excellent EVF of the Sony has a slight lag time, it displays what the camera lens saw a fraction of a second ago. This makes following a moving object (even one of modest speed) difficult. I owned a Fuji S7000 which had one of the better EVFs of its era, close to the Sony in speed and resolution, and it was necessary to follow the action with your other eye in order to avoid missing it in the viewfinder. Give it a good trial in the store first, have someone walk across the room while you take pictures of them, check traffic in the street if there is a window available but give it a go before you give them your dough.

Image quality is not an issue with this camera, it would be fantastic for studio portraits or landscapes but it may not be as satisfying for other shooting. I enjoyed my old Fuji and learned to use it effectively but I still don't miss it when I pick up the dSLR and have no trouble catching the decisive moment.

This is just an opinion and a friendly warning to be sure before you buy.

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Monza76, thanks for yourfruitful advice in this post. Yeah, it does make me think again. Do you think with 900 USD, I can get a dSLR with a lens that can compare to the one on the R1? And what do you think about the advantages of having a live preview? And finally (just curious), have you held an R1 before or tested it?

All this thanks againand regards.








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Monza76, thanks for yourfruitful advice in this post. Yeah, it does make me think again. Do you think with 900 USD, I can get a dSLR with a lens that can compare to the one on the R1?
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No, the R1 lens would be difficult to duplicate at anywhere near that price.
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And what do you think about the advantages of having a live preview?
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The live preview is of great value in carefully composed shots. It also gets the camera out of your face so it can be less obtrusive in candid photography. It is invaluable in low level macro photography since it gets you off the ground.
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I have handled the R1 in the Sony Store but did not have an opportunity to test it in any detail. The EVF was much better than my Fuji, very smooth, but I think there is still a very slight lag, remember we are dealing with a live video feed not the speed of light.

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That's it.

That's all I need to know.

Thanks. (Now I just need to sell off my N1...)
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Benjamin, I can see the allure of the Sony R1 a very nice camera, but... I think the immediacy of a dSLR combined with the optical viewfinder and the flexibility of future lens choices should not be overlooked. If you are sure it offers all that you want in a camera then get it and enjoy it, there are no other lenses its match unless you spend far more money. 

In fact lens choice is not an issue here at all, this camera has 98% of all shooting situations covered already, it is the EVF that would be my biggest concern. Even the excellent EVF of the Sony has a slight lag time, it displays what the camera lens saw a fraction of a second ago. This makes following a moving object (even one of modest speed) difficult. I owned a Fuji S7000 which had one of the better EVFs of its era, close to the Sony in speed and resolution, and it was necessary to follow the action with your other eye in order to avoid missing it in the viewfinder. Give it a good trial in the store first, have someone walk across the room while you take pictures of them, check traffic in the street if there is a window available but give it a go before you give them your dough.

Image quality is not an issue with this camera, it would be fantastic for studio portraits or landscapes but it may not be as satisfying for other shooting. I enjoyed my old Fuji and learned to use it effectively but I still don't miss it when I pick up the dSLR and have no trouble catching the decisive moment.

This is just an opinion and a friendly warning to be sure before you buy.

Ira
Monza76, thanks for yourfruitful advice in this post. Yeah, it does make me think again. Do you think with 900 USD, I can get a dSLR with a lens that can compare to the one on the R1? And what do you think about the advantages of having a live preview? And finally (just curious), have you held an R1 before or tested it?

All this thanks againand regards.
I never make it a habit of telling people what to buy, but I have no problem telling people what not to buy. I do not recommend buying an R1, not because it is not a good camera. In fact, it is the best in its class. In its class, the major issue I have isthe lack of zoom. Out of it's class, comparing it to a DSLR, the real problem I haveis that it in the price category of a lower midrange DSLR. There is no real performance reason to choose it over a DSLR, since by categorical design, it has limitations. Despite its quality, you are locked in to what it offers as opposed to be able to expand and improve a DSLR system by surrounding it with good glass at different ranges. I agree with most of what most of Monza's advice,but I disagree with Monza that it covers 98% of all shooting situations. That is only as true as the shooting situations of the individual. Yes, you can put on one of those silly converters that will supposedlyexpandyourwide angleor telephoto capabilities, but at a cost of sacrificing light.

Trust me,of theconsumersthat are on the fence about whether or not to get a DSLR over a PNS camera, the ones that chose a PNS for the most part regret the choice or made the switch to a DSLR within a short perod of time. I myself made the mistake and was fortunate to be able to return my camera and upgrade to a DSLR without incurring a monetary cost. Of course the R1 is not plagued by noise issues like most of the other PNS camaeras and is about as good as it gets in terms of PNS performance with regard to image noise, and a good choice if you can live with a max 120mm focal length. At the wide end 24mm is fairly adequate.

I have a close Friend at work who's husband asked me for advice on what to get when all along he wanted the R1. Despite my advice against it,he bought it and he is very happy for now, but I could sense that his main reason for buying it was the fear of dust entering the camera. His fears were valid in the sense that works in a high dust environment, so he would have to be selective about when to change lenses. He admitted it telephoto shortcomings, but feels he can just boost the lens with a 2X converter. I feel based on what his wife tells me about his character, that he will outgrown this camera, but it was his choice so I have a clear conscience.


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