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Old Aug 19, 2006, 10:20 AM   #1
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D70s: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ni...w/DSC_0016.JPG

K100D: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/pe...w/IMGP0029.JPG

D50: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ni...w/DSC_0144.JPG

EOS 350D: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ca...w/IMG_4747.JPG

EVOLT E-500: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ol...w/PA310014.JPG

Alpha A100: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/so...w/DSC00004.JPG

DSC-R1: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/so...w/DSC00004.JPG

GX-1S (aka IST DS2): http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/sa...w/SG1S0006.JPG

Recently I was comparing those photos at dcresourcetaken by the various cameras and here's what I found; (Not in order of best to worse)

The K100D shot is certainly a big improvement compared to the Samsung GX-1S dSLR shot. (which also represents previous Pentax models.) I am glad to see that the JPEG processings have been dramatically improved.

I think the NikonD50's shotstill have better per-pixel sharpness (JPEGs)than the K100D's onejudging from the above. The details are more crisps on the D50's shot if youobserve properly.

Next, the Nikon D70s shotis just as crisp as the D50's but is looking more natural and neutral like. (A good thing for the more professional minded).

The shot taken by the EOS-350D pose the usual Canon smooth look and IMO can make the image look less natural and original. I seems to see some details being smooth outon the EOS 350D'sshot. (I prefer natural and crisps shots than silky smooth ones).

Nextly, the shot taken by the EVOLT E-500 dSLR is looking as fine as the Canon's oneexcept that certain edges I noticed in the shot are jaggard and steps like. (The image looks too processed).

The Alpha A100 is not as impressive in hereIMO. The shot above looks muddy and flat; I just don't see the 10 mega-pixels giving it an advantage in here.

Finally, the winner IMO goes to the Sony DSC-R1 fix lens pro. At the first glance, I can see that it wins the wholelot in here already. Ofcouse, the R1's lens is far superior in here (Together with the Canon L glasses in quality). However, if we would to take price into consideration right in here now, the R1 will be the most value for money.

I hope to receive more feedbacks and hopefully amore accurate comparison between the cameras.

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Old Aug 19, 2006, 2:09 PM   #2
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I say the Nikon D70, the Canon EOS 350D or the Olympus EVOLT E-500:-)
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Old Aug 19, 2006, 4:00 PM   #3
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Look at enough tests and websites and you will find different winners and enough information to change your mind many times. Too often we get caught up in overanaylsis, and have our decision making paralyzed. Factor in newly introduced models on a regular basis, and I think it is just pointless and a waste of time trying to decide who is the real "winner". Results are great with all the models you mention. Rather than muddying the water with all these results and image qualtiy tests (which are often subjective), people need to concentrate more on feel and ease of use. Forget all the tests...go out and try the cameras and figure out which one feels the best for you and is easiest to use. This means alot more than comparing images at 100% or through a loupe to spot the smallest inconsistancies, which likely won't even be noticeable at normal print sizes or regular monitor viewing.
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For each of the links posted, I receive the following:
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Old Aug 20, 2006, 4:44 AM   #5
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interested_observer, (And everyone);

Try those links belowinstead>>> (I was comparing with the church shot)

Not in order of best to worse:

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/pe.../gallery.shtmlfor the K100D.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ni.../gallery.shtmlfor the D50.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ni.../gallery.shtmlfor the D70s.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/sa.../gallery.shtmlfor the GX-1S. (Same image quality as the IST DS2)

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ca.../gallery.shtmlfor the EOS 350D.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ol.../gallery.shtmlfor the EVOLT E-500.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/so.../gallery.shtmlfor the ALPHA A100.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/so.../gallery.shtmlfor the Sony Cyber-Shot DSC-R1 fix lens pro.







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Old Aug 20, 2006, 9:49 AM   #6
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Comparison analysis, paralysis.

All the cameras are reaching the hands of many people and images being captured.

Granted there are differences amongst them all.

So what.

People will purchase and then sell for something more or less after their initial purchases. Some will actually learn how to use any of these amazing tools for capturing images. Others will find that they would rather have a P&S in P mode.

The D50 by default is more like a P&S camera. Color mode IIIa by default. Good pictures straight out of the camera.

Other cams will need some settings adjustments if one is so inclined to figure what is optimum for their tastes. Still others shoot RAW to process.

There is no clear winner of any camera. If that were true then why continue making a new camera every 6-9 months?

These comparisons are rather boring and does not attribute to the skill and imagination of those who get the most of any camera they happen to use.

Some tools just make the job a bit easier. It all depends on what you want and what you are willing to put into it.


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I heartily agree with your post. There is no absolutely perfect DSLR or near DSLR camera. However, any of the consumer level DSLR cameras on the market today will produce great photos of measureably high quality.

The really important issue is that we photographers develop our skills to match the output of these obviously excellent DSLR cameras. Somehow I sincerely believe that issue is being lost within this featureby feature debate.

Just my $0.02 cents worth.

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These comparisons are rather boring and does not attribute to the skill and imagination of those who get the most of any camera they happen to use.
Well said!! These comparisons are boring to no end, and don't improve anyones skill, or make anyone a good photographer. The best camera in the hands of one who doesn't know how to use it will produce terrible results. Spend more time shooting, spend less time doing endless comparisons.
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I disagree with the idea of vIZnquest's postthat every camera is great sotherefore I shouldstop the comparisons at once and just go out and spend my money on a camera. I certainly disagree because the variables are plenty and I cannot afford to waste my money on the wrong thing, I have only one chance to make it. This is going to be a very big investment for me considering that I will be using my savings for it. I am a 19 year oldstudent persuing college next year and I am definitely not a working someone who can afford to make the run for it. Once I had make the run for it, I cannot afford to turn back.

So therefore, I need to throughly research the cameras to make sure that it fullfills my criterias so that I can spend my 900 USDs on it confidently. Come on, if I am now a working person with a steady income, I guess I don't need to be so particuler, but I am not; I can only afford to have one go at it.

It better be the "best" choice 900 USD can have.

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VIZ-

I heartily agree with your post. There is no absolutely perfect DSLR or near DSLR camera. However, any of the consumer level DSLR cameras on the market today will produce great photos of measureably high quality.

The really important issue is that we photographers develop our skills to match the output of these obviously excellent DSLR cameras. Somehow I sincerely believe that issue is being lost within this featureby feature debate.

Just my $0.02 cents worth.

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These comparisons are boring to no end, and don't improve anyones skill, or make anyone a good photographer. The best camera in the hands of one who doesn't know how to use it will produce terrible results. Spend more time shooting, spend less time doing endless comparisons.



If I already have the photographic skill with 900 USDs to spend on a new camera, why won't I select my favourate cameraand use my skill on it? Instead of just selecting any random camera and try to proof my skill on it.

Skills will always improve overtime so that is why I don't need to bother about it yet. What is important for me nowwithout talking aboutskills yet is a camera selection; and it will all eventuallybuild up from there. But first, it all has to start somewhere.

Any camera in the hands of a bad photographer will produce terrible results anyway. I definitely take photography seriously and will definitely strive to be a good one. What I need is just a camera with high ISO performance, speed. responsiveness, convenient control layouts for fast adjustments, sharp LCD for checking image sharpness, and ofcouse full photographic controls with white balance fine tunings.

Now it is the time for me to invest a big sum (for me) into something that will last me a few years down the road, I just have to get this one right.


The reason I opened this thread is to share with anyone who is interested what I thought of the image qualities from the various cameras shotneutrally by a busy reviewer. (Without any special attention given orprocessing given to any of the images). Eventually, we should be able to see which camera(s) can produce the best results considering each and everyone of them was being treated equally.

Then I would like people to discuss so that I (And others)could learn more things. Just take a look at dpreview forums (The forum that I greatly wish to join but couldn't due to my E-mail address type). They are sporting in there and will ever discuss any matter out such as a matter like this. (I personally like that kind ofactiveness).

Not to say this forum is bad, it isgreat.










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I don't think anyone is telling you not to do research and blindly buy a camera. What everyone (at least me) is trying to say is you can over research your choice. If you look in enough places, you'll find info declaring nearly every camera you've mentioned as the "top" choice. In reality, the differences are so few and minute in image quality (the lens determines that as much as the camera, if not more) that these comparisons become confusing. I'll say it again, most of the differences are so slight , you'll likely never notice them at normal print sizes/viewing distances. In previous posts it seems as if you've changed your mind several times based on this info. I still think the most important quality is ergonomics and ease of use, which the image quality tests don't address (and cannot because it is strictly up to you).
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